Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

I haven’t watched it yet, but regardless of what messages she found, her reaction was completely disproportionate and indicative that she had some serious mental health struggles going on.

Do they mention the fact that she dated a very young Harry Styles?

I won't watch it because I don't believe she was a good person.

I also won't watch it because whatever is said in the documentary is causing a massive backlash against the boyfriend and he is now receiving death threats towards him and his family.

I don't think the documentary should have been made.

Yes they said that she dated Prince harry and harry styles.

I haven’t watched it but I read an interview her mother gave with the guardian promoting it. She seemed very in denial and minimising of the assault, arguing that Caroline was only prosecuted because she was famous and so could be made an example of.

Yes she had mental health ussues through life.

But it is very interesting that the police decided to give her a caution

And then a detective overturned the decision and charged her with assault. In the documentary it said that is the first time the Detective had ever overturner a decision in her career.

In the documentary, they were analysing the detective's decision. In the documentary, another police woman looked at her report and said that what she had written about overturning the decision - didn't make sense.

I vaguely recall another case of assault involving a celebrity happened shortly before and the police got stick for not charging the person, I wish I could remember the details but I believe they went ahead with the charges against Caroline in an attempt to restore some reputation.

I have always believed she deserved the charges, as anyone would who assaulted their partner. It’s a shame her mental health was so fragile but it was a mess she got herself into.

Her mother needs to accept her daughter made a mistake, couldn’t accept the consequences and move on with healing rather than looking to blame someone else.

Prince sorry

Maybe due to being a public figure they wanted to make an example out of her.

If she was let go someone somewhere would be whining that women can assault their partners and get away with it.

After watching the documentary, I kind of agree with her mother.

Caroline was originly going to be given a caution and released, and then for some strange reason it was changed to assualt. The reason given did not make sense.

in the documentary another policewoman analyses the case and said that a lot of it does not make sense. She said some things in the police report were lies.

Caroline's partner did not want to press charges.

I’m legal and will write this only once because the Flack topic is infuriating for anyone with legal knowledge.

1. We don’t ’press charges’ in the UK. The state prosecutes the criminal if they see fit to do so, not the victim. So nobody is entitled to ‘drop charges’ or ‘not press charges’
2. Charging decisions are routinely challenged and this was not some stunning rare occurrence which ‘looks suspicious’
3. Domestic violence is prosecuted regardless of whether the perpetrator is sorry, regardless of whether they’ve done it before, regardless of whether they’re 5 foot tall, regardless of whether they’re a celebrity and regardless of whether the victim does or does not want to support the case
4. Point 3 is because many victims withdraw support through fear or coercion. All violence needs to be taken seriously.
5. Assault is the lowest possible level of violent crime. It was, in my opinion, very proportionately charged.
6. The majority of defendants particularly with violent crime have mental health issues. Sad as it is, this does not excuse them from justice

Hope that helps.

I think as it’s the mother it’s understandable she’s in denial, but sounds like the documentary is completely unnecessary. We don’t need the mother’s biased opinion on this.

But I felt the same about the Jay Slater documentary, it was a whole lot of nothing.

I won't watch it as the mum doesn't seem to accept that her daughter did something wrong. It isn't fair that the boyfriend is now getting a lot of hate and death threats, where is the 'be kind' to him?
It is very sad what happened to her and I can only imagine the pain for her family but I don't think minimising it is right either.

1. You wrote "Domestic violence is prosecuted regardless of whether the perpetrator is sorry, regardless of whether they’ve done it before, regardless of whether they’re 5 foot tall, regardless of whether they’re a celebrity and regardless of whether the victim does or does not want to support the case"

That is not true. Because in the documentary it shows the original police report.

In it , they write, we have decided not to charge her as she has no history of violence, and also because the victim does not want any charge brought against her

I didn’t say it is ALWAYS prosecuted.

I said it is prosecuted regardless of those factors, which you seemed to find relevant when they’re not.

There is a rationale behind charging but none of those factors preclude a prosecution. The rationale can be challenged and this is very routine. This is not a conspiracy and thorough investigation by the agencies involved found no evidence of malpractice.

I do think with her MH struggles she was not suited to life in the spotlight. I seem to remember there were rumours about her behaviour with previous partners. She did seem to like dating much younger men. Whole thing was a tragedy but ultimately I don't think another documentary was needed. Her family did one not so long ago.

If it had been reversed and Caroline assaulted by her boyfriend, there would have been no question of a decision to charge. Cautions are rarely appropriate for domestic abuse and a victim often reluctant to support. A caution should only generally be used where there is an admission of guilt which there never was. Caroline went on to plead not guilty and yet there isn't really any dispute that she hit her boyfriend. There were sadly some really important inaccuracies reported like that she hit him with a lamp (it's likely she hit him with a phone) and the assumption that the blood is her boyfriend's (when it was actually her own).

It is tragic. But I don't think the decision to charge (ultimately a CPS decision not a police decision (although police supported a decision to charge)) was wrong. She should have been charged. But it's still tragic and she was still wronged on many counts.

I feel sorry for her former partner. He has moved on with his life, has a fiancée and two small children. He should be left alone. Caroline's mother posted some really derogatory things about the fact he had moved on, like he should grieve forever for the girlfriend who assaulted him.

I've watched it this morning. We all know about the incident, doesn't matter that it was the first time, the police were called and investigated. It was a domestic argument, which resulted in an assault.

The utter pile on by the press was disgusting, but as explained, the paper with the biggest shock headline sells the most copies.

Caroline Flack clearly struggled with her mental health, and to have had deal with the hideous (IMHO) assassination of character was too much.

Facts don't sell papers, sensationalism does. Bob and Sue having a row doesn't sell papers, Caroline Flack having a row does. The press don't care about anything other than money rolling in - That's pretty much what I took from the documentary.

She was 32 and Styles was 17. I was genuinely shocked when the outpouring of support happened after her death, I know what we'd call a man who did the same and noone would be rushing to say 'be kind', quite rightly.

I have no issue with the action taken by The Police/CPS.

However, the media were like a dog with a bone whipping everyone up in to a judge, jury and executioner frenzy. This, in my opinion, is what let to her suicide and every journalist creating click bait crap have blood on their hands.

Well I guess the reason was she assaulted him so no real mystery about why she was charged with that.

What rank was the detective? The idea that some random detective can just wander in and overrule a decision is strange, I assume she was at a supervisory rank and made the final decision.

It's a shame she committed suicide but people can't go round assaulting other people. I don't think there would be much sympathy for a man who assaulted his girlfriend/partner so I'm not sure why it should be any different for her.

Yes that seems a very reasonable take on it.

@Finto1111it is irrelevant that her partner did not want to pursue it as that factor isn’t taken into account for a variety of reasons but primarily as it isn’t up to individuals to decide the course of action of those who have committing a crime and also to protect victims of domestic violence

Are you sure you’ve got your facts right? Because according to police statements and body cam footage, the bloke had a visible head injury. The blood was not all Caroline’s. There WAS an assault, a fairly serious one, carried out by Caroline.

She didn’t overrule it. She referred it for appeal. Which was entirely appropriate and routine.