Caroline Flack - search for the truth - Disney

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Dropped this morning on Disney.

Wow 😞😞😞😞 am absolutely speechless after watching this. So much we didn't know.

That was her blood on the bed, shame on you The Sun newspaper for buying this photo and stating that it was the bf .

Shame on you the detective who inserted herself into something that was none of her business and made this much worse than it was and for lying.

Shame on you the prosecutor who at Caroline's plea hearing you spoke lies.

Caroline's mum ❤️❤️❤️ her family and friend who were involved in the documentary, very well done and very informative, the newspapers need to print an apology.

Exactly. Caroline herself admitted that she threw the phone "in anger". So presumably some people believe that it's ok to throw objects at people if you are angry with them so long as you don't make them bleed that badly.

@Bambamhoohoo that’s a good point. The more I’ve seen of Christine’s interviews the more I’m inclined to believe there was a life long denial and minimising of Caroline’s unstable and at times toxic behaviour, that has transformed post death into something closer to delusion and deification.

It’s clear she will never accept that Caroline had any role in her own demise.

I’ve actually stopped watching now because seeing her scoff and say things like ‘it was only a phone that hit his head’ whilst virtually eye rolling is making quite angry.

There will be people out there with partners like Caroline, who’ve ‘only’ been ‘caught’ by the edge of a phone their partner has thrown at them, or been hit in their sleep or who hear ‘if you call the police on me I’ll kill myself’ and look at this case and think ‘it will be my fault and everyone will blame me’

Whatever wrongs were done to Caroline by the judicial system and press, they do not excuse the fact that she did hit her partner and did use threats and actions of self harm to avoid accountability.

You would challenge those issues at trial if she pleaded not guilty. Alternatively you can request what’s called a ‘Newton hearing’ which is where you accept guilt overall but want to dispute some of the facts of your basis of plea. Ultimately the only hearing she attended was the first hearing, which is a straightforward administrative hearing where you confirm your details and enter a plea. So she died before any kind of challenging could happen

DV is often very messy. In many cases there is 1 clear perpetrator and 1 clear victim (usually male P, female V) but in other cases you get a kind of toxic combination where both parties abuse the other, and both have issues with alcohol/drugs and their mental health.

I’m not saying Caroline was all bad. She clearly had some lovely attributes - she looked a very fun, exciting, entertaining person to be around with a lot of charisma. And she clearly had struggles. But we can’t just dismiss domestic violence and the impact it has on others because she’s female, or because she was famous, or because she was sorry afterwards and ‘it wasn’t that bad’.

I can’t really believe that if she had a female partner, or was male, there would be so many documentaries ‘clearing her name’ and that breakfast TV would allow the relatives on to protest their innocence, while talking about them in such a loving and fond way. They would be basically toxic and never mentioned again apart from as part of ‘disgrace’ articles. There is a huge double standard and the desperate picking apart of the criminal justice procedure doesn’t change any of the above.

It’s evident from this documentary that Caroline was always vulnerable. She had bi polar and i think the life of a celebrity is fairly precarious . She wasn’t cut out for fame and the public eye

what’s shocking from the documentary is how unfair the press reporting was. She was essentially trialled by media and the public were lef to believe she had brutally attacked her boyfriend with a lamp causing horrific blood loss. None of that is apparently true according to this documentary

its unclear if the boyfriend did enough to defend her and the family certainly didnt seem to blame him or anyone other media

she had hit him on the head with his phone whilst we was sleeping after seeing texts from another woman

it does rather feel like a fairly minor domestic incident was blown way out of proportion.

Caroline Flack had deep rooted mental health issues that caused her to only value herself through fame. That is sad. What a shallow existence she had. She wasn’t a brilliant actress or singer, she became ‘famous’ through reality tv shows. It meant so much to her that she couldn’t bear the humiliation of being publicly exposed to the law and face the consequences of her appalling behaviour.

She needed help for years, she was an attractive woman who made the best of her talent, but she appears to have had little else. Prince Harry and a very young Harry Styles, both feeding a huge ego that craved attention. Sad.

Of course her partner did the right thing calling the police. I don’t care what she hit him with, it’s irrelevant, she hit him. It doesn’t matter whether he had superficial injuries, she hit him. Her immediate reaction to him calling the police is all we need to know, she pleaded, she cut herself, she was desperate, she was broken. Then the sad suicide in retrospect seems inevitable. She couldn’t face her fall from ‘stardom’, she couldn’t see what really mattered in her life-her family, her friends, her future.

Her mother has done her daughter’s memory no favours at all. There is no dignity in raking this up again, it changes nothing. Her mother should want to grieve privately, move on with her life and let her other adult children do likewise. Perhaps, just perhaps this isn’t about “clearing Caroline’s name “ (which is absurd in itself as a reason) but a mother refusing to accept the truth.

@Ticklyoctopus I agree. When you strip it down to bare facts, she assaulted a sleeping partner and drew blood. That’s domestic abuse.
When he rightly said he would call the police she threatened self harm to try to stop it. That’s classic abuser manipulation.

The minimising of it is pretty distasteful. Her mother seems to be of the belief that because Caroline was so special she couldn’t be an abuser.

The reference to another ex signing an NDA and coming out in support of the boyfriend and her trying to kill herself over another relationship when younger alludes to a wider pattern.

I saw my dad ‘only’ draw blood from my mums head when his wedding ring ‘caught’ her as he was ranting and raving. I also saw him threaten to kill himself if my mum called the police. I saw his family twist it so my mum was the villain for daring to ‘talk’ to another man outside the house and didn’t she know my dad’s mental health was fragile so it was her own fault, with the same half smirk, half exasperated tone Christine Flack uses.

Whilst Christine has some valid points to make about the judicial process, it’s being lost for me in her enabling and minimising of abuse and I think there may come a day when she realises her anger and blame were pointed at the wrong people.

She wasn’t a brilliant actress or singer, she became ‘famous’ through reality tv shows

This isn’t really fair- CF was never supposed to be any kind of actor, singer or reality show star. She was a TV presenter, she presented TV shows, and she was very good at that.

You’re right, I worded that poorly, yes she was very good at presenting. But the shows she presented didn’t help her, like Love Island. Lots of participants had MH issues after their fifteen minutes of fame, when reality crashed down, there were suicides linked to it, I think, might be wrong. She wasn’t surrounded by the right people, it was a superficial world full of shallow people. She needed grounding, she wasn’t equipped to deal with any of it.

Any amount of grounding wouldn't help someone who has bi polar to the extent where instead of medicating they're using work/ booze/ drugs to cope.

Her ex boyfriend having a NDA and saying he wasn't surprised the assault happend speaks volumes. I met her once....she wasn't very nice.

The mum did seem to the blame her friends for leaving the flat in interviews iirc, and I can understand the 'if only' s around it which I'm sure her poor friends still feel too, but if someone's determined to go they will, we cant just sit there looking at them 24/7,even just having a shower or falling asleeo is enough time for them to end it

An NDA wouldn’t have any validity after she died. He could easily speak about this clearly if he wanted

I don't blame him for not doing so. The backlash he would get for trashing a dead woman (even if what he were to be telling the truth) from SM, Caroline's family and the papers would be unreal.

Wow super harsh. Not sure I watched the same programme … the police clearly misrepresented events and one single female officer got involved for NO reason. Even if this was Joe bloggs I would be appalled at the handling of the case. The mental health of the person should be taken into account. Illegal immigrants have more rights !!!!!!!

I watched it last night and just found it all so terribly sad.

I think the one thing I can say with any certainty is the the tabloids, especially the Sun, are scum.

Here we go 🍿

Who said this???

@IsduggeeadogLewis!

Oh goodness........ I can understand mum wanting to do what she thinks is best for her daughter, but I really fear it may make things worse for her own mental health in the long run if this all ends up being battled out on social media as was inevitable. There's a possibility some people have kept their experiences to themselves out of respect up til now.....
It's all so sad and complicated

I can't really say I blame him. I very much doubt this is what Caroline would want to happen and will no doubt cause her family more pain but Christine will only really have herself to blame. One thing for certain is that there are no winners here.

This podcast is worth a listen for an insight in to how her friends felt so out of their depth trying to support someone in the depth of a mental health crisis. It was Lou & her Dad who found her and Lou called her sister. She’s pretty diplomatic and doesn’t say much re Christine, other than she hasnt spoken to her since. Her friends were providing more support than her family at this time it seems.

What's the pod cast called please?

"we need to talk” Paul brunson. 7th October episode.

I watched it out of admittedly morbid curiosity. I came away feeling far more sorry for Caroline Flack than I expected to but I didn’t know that much about her beforehand other than the basics. I do wonder if she dated much younger men because she herself was quite immature- not in a mean way- there seemed to be a lot of drama in all of her relationships that I just couldn’t be arsed with and I’m basically the same age she was when she died. Or if these guys kept her young. They clearly got caught up in the drama too.

What did surprise me about Christine Flack was that despite the absolute hell that the sun newspaper put her daughter through as well as the rest of the family, why she didn’t tell them to go fuck themselves with their “Caroline Flack award” bollocks. I have no time for that shit rag anyway but I’d have even less time for them if they had taken pleasure in hounding one of my family members the way they hounded CF. She went to their award ceremony though? wtf?!