Caroline Flack - search for the truth - Disney

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Dropped this morning on Disney.

Wow 😞😞😞😞 am absolutely speechless after watching this. So much we didn't know.

That was her blood on the bed, shame on you The Sun newspaper for buying this photo and stating that it was the bf .

Shame on you the detective who inserted herself into something that was none of her business and made this much worse than it was and for lying.

Shame on you the prosecutor who at Caroline's plea hearing you spoke lies.

Caroline's mum ❤️❤️❤️ her family and friend who were involved in the documentary, very well done and very informative, the newspapers need to print an apology.

But whether or not she assaulted him doesn’t depend on whether she was remorseful, or whether she admitted her guilt, or whether his injury was or wasn’t very visible. The fact is she admitted hitting him, this was not in self defence, and she had the mental capacity to understand what she did was wrong. Ergo a charge of assault is completely appropriate. Picking around the edges of the case doesn’t change that.

Unless you think people who say sorry or don’t leave a big enough visible injury should be let off with a caution as routine? Would you be happy if you were hit over the head in public and the perpetrator walked free with a caution?

It was quite disturbing seeing just how young Harry Styles was in the clip shown.

I was also shocked learning when she died she was a middle aged woman and not someone in their 20's!

I honestly believe given when I know about how ill untreated bi polar can make you if it hadn't been this something else would've tipped her over the edge.

Her siblings looked utterly fed up and all but told her mum to stop. I imagine they're too scared to actually tell her as that's what's keeping her going.

Also it said that it HAD to go to court as she had pleased not guilty. Does this mean if she'd pled guilty it wouldn't?

Butt Nothing “goes to court” if you pled guilty. You might attend court to plead/ for sentencing etc but no need for a trial.

Not at all, of course I don’t think it’s ok to just say sorry. I’ve repeatedly said that what she did was wrong but the CPS said they didn’t think it was worth prosecuting because there was no injury to the victim and that she was remorseful and had admitted guilt - therefore they felt that a caution was appropriate. The police on duty appealed this on the basis that they believed there to be a significant injury and no admission of guilt but the statements of their own officers say differently.

Sometimes a caution is appropriate, but like I said police appeals are very common and not at all an unusual step taken to persecute a TV star. I would suggest referring to the inquest rather than sensationalist documentaries where the aim is to portray CF in a flattering light.

She wasn't. But you're of course not allowed to say that now.

Aside from being abusive, my friend worked with on Love Island and said she was absolutely vile.

So many seemed to speak so well of her?

Agreed - even in here she is being infantilised. She was almost middle aged acting like she was in her 20s. Drunken arguments tend to happen with younger couples who can’t handle their alcohol

She probably won’t appreciate you being so indiscreet if she works in production tbh, it’s a very small world and everyone knows everyone…

What I don’t understand is, why didn’t her legal team challenge what was said in court? Based on what her mother said, the information presented by the prosecution was full of inaccuracies but surely that is what her defence team was there to challenge?

I’ve been a vocal critic of CF on other threads but tried to watch this from a neutral position.

I completely agree with her mother that the decision to escalate from a caution to a charge may have been a bid to make an example of her and warrants investigation.

That her mental state report wasn’t considered before the decision to be charged should also be investigated.

The reporting of the blood soaked bed and implication that it was her boyfriend’s was a straight up hatchet job by The Sun and ruined her completely.

But.

Her mother’s minimising of Caroline’s behaviour but highlighting everyone else’s flaws does her no favours.

Lewis ‘only’ had a little cut and didn’t need treatment - but Caroline was worse and needed treatment. Both of those injuries were caused by Caroline.

She ‘only’ hit him with a phone and not a lamp. It was still assault.

She was ‘only’ charged with the lowest charge. What she did still warranted an arrest.

Even if the case had been dropped, or had she gotten away with the lightest slap on the wrist, she would still have lost her job. The bedroom photo would still have run. The DV allegation would have stuck.
The press she courted when she wanted column inches would still have turned on her regardless. Social media would have savaged her regardless. The worst punishment would always have come from them not the courts.

She may have been able to get some form of work later on but she would always have been tainted - male DV abusers get a pass. She would never have.

Her mum says she wants people to remember the real Caroline - that’s not the saintly, fragile victim her mum is putting forward. As well as her positive points, she was complex, unstable, manipulative, deeply into alcohol and drug misuse, toxic relationships, had a deep need for validation and an inability to take responsibility for her actions.

Her social media post crying that she had never hurt anyone in her life except herself was classic deflection. She had hurt someone by hitting them in the head hard enough to draw blood and was facing consequences for it. That’s not offset by hurting herself more to try to stop it getting out.

I understand the grief, and the need for justice where wrongs have been committed, but she had a very long history of self harm and attempts on her life which her family walked on egg shells around. Given how extreme her spiralling episodes appeared to be, without help it seems inevitable that she would have died at her own hand at some stage.
Focusing on destigmatising bipolar, suicidal ideation, mood disorders, depression and MH episodes would have made for a more compelling doc - shoe horning it into the end of an episode didn’t do it justice.

One thing this has solidified is that every entertainment ‘journo’ and the tabloids they write for, including the BBC, are scum.

So the facts
are she bounced a phone of his head when messages came through from another woman ..end of..
no lamp smashed over his head just a fallout Be it not great ....she didnt deserve the whitch hunt that followed.. lewis rang the police and sent the pic of her blood to his friends, the press, the police and cps all have her blood on their hands.. The sun should be ashamed of the depths they stooped to.

Okay it seems like the CPS was a bit heavy handed for whatever reason. But it’s clear that Caroline was just not cut out for celebrity. Why she stayed in London I do not know. A lot of her friends seemed more concerned with preserving her reputation. Which I just find incredibly sad. Imagine being too afraid to call an ambulance cause you’re worried about what the press will say. The dynamic with the media reminded me of Diana.

I just wish Caroline had got some very intensive psychiatric treatment. She could have refuted many of the false claims made had she made it to trial. She often referred to her life being over in her texts. It really was like a car crash in slow motion.

Ive got to say I found it a bit disturbing her lawyer and mother questioning how DV cases are handled. There’s a reason CPS sometimes prosecutes without the support of the victim. To underline all that just to whitewash Caroline was too far in my view.

I was shocked and disturbed to learn that CF immediately slit her wrists after the incident with Lewis. Sadly, it does seem like suicide was almost an inevitability for Caroline. I think CF’s poor mental health was the main factor behind her death.

You think it’s likely that he’s called the police the first time she’s lashed out and hit him?

”bounced a phone of his head” is such a minimisation and it’s not “the facts”. The prosecution alleged and hit him with a lamp. The tabloids said it was a phone. Whichever it is was, he had a laceration to his head which was bleeding when police arrived but was treated on scene by paramedics.

there was also another ex partner who initially came forward and implied he’d been abused and signed a non disclosure agreement but he understandably retreated after she died.

That phone screen was smashed too,that was a hell of a bounce.

I interpreted it that her friends were worried about the further impact on her mental health of it being reported on by the press if she went to hospital which is why they hesitated to get her medical help. The whole thing is so sad regardless of which lens you look at it through

It didn’t go to trial though, so there was no opportunity to do that. She died before that happened

he had a cut and was bleeding from his head. Yes, it didn’t need stitches/glue but when they mention this in the documentary, as if to prove that it wasn’t really domestic violence: can you imagine if they made this statement about a woman who was bleeding, but no glue/stitches, so that’s alright then?

I’m not sure the level to which the mothers lack of ability to step outside her grief and see the real Caroline is a realistic expectation.

it is very common in people with poor mental health that the wider family don’t have good mental health or resilience/ emotional maturity themselves.
Her ways of coping were partly a product of her childhood, or there are genetic factors. Being in denial of serious mental illness is common in both patients and their families, and those patients are often the ones with the lowest chance of recovery.

rather than find it shocking it’s almost expected tbh. It’s very hard to deal with poor mental health of a loved one and very many people are not appropriately equipped to do so- most of us are never tested in this way. This was long standing, learnt behaviour and this outcome wasn’t unusual.

Exactly,I found the conversation with Christine and the solicitor about how it wasn't the lamp it was 'only' the phone appalling.

My husband said the exact same thing. Totally unacceptable. Caroline’s mother and lawyer should have emphatically stated it is never ok to get physical. They could have made all the same arguments whilst acknowledging Caroline made a mistake by throwing the phone and that she was wrong for doing so

As an aside Christine has an absolutely stunning home.