Caroline Flack - search for the truth - Disney

[Livingthebestlife]

Dropped this morning on Disney.

Wow 😞😞😞😞 am absolutely speechless after watching this. So much we didn't know.

That was her blood on the bed, shame on you The Sun newspaper for buying this photo and stating that it was the bf .

Shame on you the detective who inserted herself into something that was none of her business and made this much worse than it was and for lying.

Shame on you the prosecutor who at Caroline's plea hearing you spoke lies.

Caroline's mum ❤️❤️❤️ her family and friend who were involved in the documentary, very well done and very informative, the newspapers need to print an apology.

It’s young to die but I wouldn’t describe a 40-50 year old as a ‘young woman’. I notice the press and commentary around Caroline make her sound like she was 22 - ‘young lady’ ‘girl’ etc

I’m so sorry about your mum @IAmKerplunk

I can’t access the documentary but am surprised people are not more sympathetic/forgiving about it/her

Yes. I really felt for the twin, she looked really uncomfortable being interviewed. She clearly didn’t want to slander Caroline’s memory but I could tell she had been ‘emotionally supporting’ for decades and was just burned out from all of it. In particular I remember the family begging her to spend Christmas with them (and her nieces and nephews etc) - they wanted her to spend a bit of time with them and escape the furore in London. She spent 24 hours there before getting in her car and driving back to London without telling them she was going, they woke up on Boxing Day morning and she had gone (this is from memory correct me if I’m wrong).

A lot of the information recorded by the police in their statements had conflicting information, one said a lamp, one said a fan, one said a phone. No one tested the lamp or fan, her phone had blood and was cracked and she admitted hitting him on the head with her phone after waking him up by shoving him, Lewis admitted this too and said he regretted phoning the police but they were both wasted and he constantly kept trying for the case to be dropped, it was in writing and he said to the prosecution that he had insisted he didn't want this and wouldn't be involved.

It had been reported that he was asleep, she hit him over the head with the lamp and all that blood was his, this was said by the prosecution at the plea hearing, in the newspapers etc nothing was said that Caroline slit both arms, the blood was hers, that Lewis took the photo sent it to his mate and his mate sold it to the sun.

She had been treated in hospital for hours for the cuts to her arms, then brought to the station to be interviewed, Lewis didn't need any treatment, there's documented evidence of this from the paramedics. There's back and forth from everyone regarding if she was fit for interviewing, they knew she had just tried to kill herself but continued on with the interview. There was a lot that happened as interviewing goes and informing the CPS, after all of that it was told by the CPS she would get a warning, that was it, the mum read all the letters out regarding this, but the detective came on duty had 3 of her own cases happening which were much more serious but she got involved in Caroline's case having heard the other officers talking about it, even though it was agreed she'd get a warning, this detective wrote to the CPS disputing this but never included any evidence regarding the suicide attempt and the blood being Caroline's, or any of the finer details, the CPS can only go on what the police tell them.

Lewis admitted that he would threaten to go to the papers during arguments, it was obviously a toxic relationship but he said there was never any violence from her, there were no records of violence from Caroline over the years.

She suffered with her mental health from a young child, bipolar was mentioned to her mum by a professional when she was younger.

The papers didn't care how their words affected her, I know it can be soul destroying having awful things printed about you, untrue things then the social media comments from the public were disgusting, I wasn't a fan, so I just turned off the programme she would be on, I never felt the need to take to a newspaper or social media and slag her off.

Her mum wanted to help her, just like any mum but she was in her 40s and had to let her live her life, I'm sure there were many conversations between the two not aired in the documentary.

They played the voice notes and texts in sequence, you could see when she'd spiraled after a bad newspaper day, some of those headlines 😞 then when she was told it was going to court she was worried about the body cam footage of her with slit arms, half naked, etc

The professional people her mum spoke to all said it was ott and should have been left at a caution.

Look I don’t want to go into details but I work in this field (won’t specify in which role or with which authority), and domestic violence cases are not murder inquiries - you don’t have the time and resources to DNA test bodily fluids, cross reference what appear to be perfectly normal discrepancies in statements, and trawl through the mobile phones of witnesses for a simple assault charge. That level of detail and investigation wouldn’t have happened for anyone facing the case that Caroline did. She was not treated unfairly and the case was run in a very normal and standard way.

It’s painful reading posts like yours which (sorry - just being honest) are so ‘armchair’ and looking for 100% perfection ‘otherwise it means there was something suspicious going on’.

I'm sorry but whether or not he wanted her to be prosecuted is irrelevant. There is a really, really good reason that the old practice of dropping domestic violence cases if the victim didn't support it was ended, and it has saved many lives.

I agree with you completely- particularly about how outrageous the expectation of dna testing was- but at the same I’m surprised you say that out was dealt with in a normal way.

I genuinely would expect that the police called to a disturbance where one party has harmed themselves and the other was uninjured would separate them for the night and likely forget about it.
I’m really surprised she was arrested and prosecuted, as it didn’t seem a particularly unusual drunken fight on a Saturday night tbh. There was no history or immediate threat. They could’ve been easily separated.

@Livingthebestlifespot on recall about it. I don’t think her mum came across particularly well - saying on the night of the incident they had both had a bit to drink when others interviewed acknowledged they were wasted. There was clearly an alcohol issue with Caroline. Her boyfriend was not healthy for her and she not healthy for him. I have sympathy for Caroline but let’s be honest - where was her career going to go after this? A 180 degree turn was unlikely. I can see why she made the choice she did because when someone chases fame and then it goes - what do they do after that? I have sympathy for her mum too - I understand that need to find someone to blame and want them to admit to the whole world why they are the reason your loved one took their own life. I get it.

What sits uncomfortably with me is I honestly believe the prosecution was only pursued due to her name and fame. And I also dislike my feeling that some of those interviewed said ‘public want us to take domestic seriously so we are’ and yet they chose to hone in on an apparently one time incident where the woman was the instigator - so I think it was disingenuous for those people to say it was because they were taking DA seriously.

Obviously all these things are done during the investigation, however some of the police insisted she hit him with a lamp, the lamp was left in the flat and never taken away. Surely the weapon is taken for investigation?

She was interviewed and it was agreed that she would get a caution, why then would a detective come on duty nothing to do with the case and dispute the CPS of a caution? It was a minor offence but that detective who never disputed a CPS result suddenly did.

100% back when my mum was alive she refused to press charges against my dad and so the police just left and did nothing - leaving my mum and I in even more danger

I’m not at all surprised. You can’t ’seperate’ grown adults - you either arrest one and take them to custody, or you leave them both in situ. What else do you expect to happen? The police are not a taxi service there to ferry arguing lovers between houses.

With blood everywhere, broken items and one party phoning police in a panic to say they’d been assaulted, why would you not expect criminal proceedings? Would you say the same if the person phoning was a small female?

He didn’t live with her, so he could’ve easily gone home.

I hate to sound condescending but you’ve been watching too many fictional crime series. Unless the weapon was illegal/offensive (a zombie knife, knuckle duster or similar), there is zero need to take it away ‘for investigation’ - what would you even be investigating? The standard sweep for these types of cases are some crime scene photos, statements from the victim and witnesses, and a statement from the arresting officer plus any accompanying officers. Possibly a medical statement if the victim is treated for injuries and an injury photo.

The level of ‘investigation’ you seem to be expecting is something akin to a murder investigation or a bank robbery.

Quite but it wasn’t for the police to drive him there.

I didn’t say anything about the police driving anyone

Apologies I thought that was the inference.

No, they can well afford taxis 😂 the natural outcome no matter what happened was that he would have to leave her home. There were no children and they weren’t cohabiting. They could’ve easily been separated for his safety.

Because even in this day and age that situation can happen (and it did, to me) and the police were indeed a taxi service for my H as in they drove him into town to get him out of our family home (where he had assaulted me in front of my 2 year old and I had managed to call 999 whilst he was trying throttle me) and they literally left him in town so he could just walk back home again and assault me again despite them telling me they were taking him to hospital (it was a mh crisis on his side) so police absolutely do just separate people without arrest, criminal charges etc even when there is clear evidence of assault, mh issues and, in my case, a small child in the home.

But what I'm trying to say is, if the detective felt this was a major crime, would they not take the lamp ? Yes I agree for a minor dispute they wouldn't do a detailed investigation, but this detective felt this was a major crime, surely then the lamp would be taken?

I mean there’s no rule saying they can’t but it isn’t standard and it can’t be expected as a rule. I’m sorry to hear your case wasn’t properly actioned.

It was an assault- who would think that was a major crime?

The detective who came in duty and escalated it. I agree it was a minor crime, the CPS did too but this detective appealed the CPS decision saying it was much worse. I feel it was ott

An assault is not a ‘major crime’, it’s literally the lowest form of violent criminal charge possible - technically you don’t even have to make physical contact with somebody to assault them, just put them in fear that it might happen. It has almost zero prospect of a prison sentence and she most likely would’ve got a fine.

What do you think the investigation of the lamp could have shown to make this a worthwhile thing to do? There didn't seem to be any dispute over the fact that she hit him with an object, so why would anyone have used resources proving exactly which object? It's not like there are separate offences of 'assault' and 'assault with a lamp'.