Abortion - The Choice . Tuesday 13th May, BBC 2, 9pm

[Milliways]

Tuesday 13th May, BBC 2, 9pm: Abortion - The Choice.
"Five women face up to their decision to have an abortion, describing their thought processes as they made one of the most difficult choices anybody can make, and on which there can be no hard and fast agreement. Beyond the chatter, 200,000 pregnancies are terminated in the UK each year and none is anything less than tortuous and painful - as demonstrated by this poignant film."

On second thoughts riven, perhaps we should meet for a coffee and you could rid my head of residual prejudice that comes from not really knowing what I'm talking about!!

No idea, I don't know enough about Steiner to comment.

Steiner as one of the few who originally thought disabled kids worth educating (and remember there was no legal right to education for those with LD's until sometime in the 70's). Camphill communities are a waldorf thing and many have good reputations and are caring places.

I think the schools vary - certainly a Steiner P+T group I attended when ds1 was small was welcoming at a time when ds1 had been banned from most places

Although I admit that some schools are a bit fruitcake.

I would less likely to be accepted at Steiner because I drive a people carrier and we are plainly evil for doing so!!

sorry custy thought you were having a laugh.
riven don't get you getto remark.
dd goes to an sn school and it is brillinat. no people feeling sorry for her there. she shines.

the trouble is as I have found on here that the norms have such a low veiw of disabled children/people that it isn't really inclusion but exclusion. at her school dd has loads of freinds. both pupils and staff and all her needs are met.
if she went to ms she could be bullied or ignored. not a chance worth taking in my book.
the chances of her making freinds would be so low. she has over the years made freinds with some lovely nt girls. thsy have been the sisters of ds's freinds. but even that isn't foo proof. take the shit lovely girl who called her a spaz!!
inclusion in my mind only benefits the noms as they can use the disabled child to educate theirs. not what dd is for in my book.

(riven befor you reply pop on to TTR)

I've found ds1 to be far more included in the community in special school as well. At mainstream he was separated from his class, not allowed on school trips, not allowed to take part in assemblies etc etc.

I am really pleased that you have found a ms school that suits your dd. my dd is 13 and I have noticed a change in things since she was pre school. alont of the primary children at her school do half ms and half sn. it must be working as it continues. thai was not in place when dd was little. but having seen what ds has put up with in ms.....no way
agree with you last bit.

Yeah I'm with 2shoes. I'll be chaining myself to the special school railings before ds1 goes back to mainstream

have you looked at trelores?(secondry)

I think SN schools vary as much as mainstream really. DS1's school is perfect for him (we are lucky). The other SLD school in our city would not be suitable at all. That was something that surprised me (thought they'd all be much of a muchness).

oh you are right yurt. dd's school is brilliant. suits her needs so well.
there are some very good sn schools nearer home but none would suit her and would not be able to offer us the level of care we get at the one she attends.
and I have to say if I am honest i prefer the sn world. as people are nice and never judge her.

Not all children with SN will be living in the real world though. DS1 almost certainly won't and tbh I just want him to have a happy life. We tried mainstream. It was not good for him, he's now happy in a place where is understood and treated with respect. He also gets to do loads of things that he wouldn't be able to do at mainstream.

thing is I know that dd won't get a job. she doesn't have ld as such but I cannot imagine what job she will do. so I am not going to put her through stas and stuff for no good reason. she is iteligent and can learn but not to that level
so to send her to ms would just be for the benefit of the norms. going by some of the post on here they will never change,
also I see the kids round here who would be at school with her if she was at ms and NO way do I want her mixing with them.

I find this interesting....shall we move it to TTR rather than entertain the people on here.