Abortion - The Choice . Tuesday 13th May, BBC 2, 9pm

[Milliways]

Tuesday 13th May, BBC 2, 9pm: Abortion - The Choice.
"Five women face up to their decision to have an abortion, describing their thought processes as they made one of the most difficult choices anybody can make, and on which there can be no hard and fast agreement. Beyond the chatter, 200,000 pregnancies are terminated in the UK each year and none is anything less than tortuous and painful - as demonstrated by this poignant film."

now this is yikes
but he suits this thread

iy is hideous. now that is a good reason for euthanasia(oops)
I have changed my dress.......you like?

at some of the opinions on this thread!

I am VV anti-abortion.

Basic human rights! dont we all have them? shouldnt EVERYONE be entitled to a life??

Agreed

For me,abortion should not be a choice.

Fine, don't choose to have one then. But don't deny the option to women who do want one.
What I do with my body is no one's business but my own.

Yes but your not giving your unborn baby the chance of a life, you were given that right werent you?

If abortion was made illegal there would be plenty of back street abortions or self-inflicted ones. You cannot seriously be saying that women should not be able to have abortions? Whether you agree with it morally is another thing entirely. If it's not for you, don't do it.

Crazymofo, yes the 13 year old rape victim carrying her Uncle's offspring should be made to have that child.

All im saying is that people shouldnt be allowed to just abort willy nilly! people who will carry that baby for 24 weeks and then decide that they dont want it!

You know in one end of a hospital a mother can be having her 24 week old baby aborted while in the other end a 24 week will be being kept alive by life support machines, how is that moral???

People don't abort willy nilly, they go through turmoil in making a decision and pain and suffering after, feeling a void and a period of loss.

Crazy - that scenario has nothing to do with the woman having an abortion. I have to say, I really don't think there are many women having "willy nilly" abortions at 24 weeks

What I mean crazy is that it is the fault of the health providers that they don't provide separate facilities. As usual however, the woman gets the blame.

ok

I suggest that the people on here who think murdering a disabled child is OK watch.
beyond boundaries 9pm Bc2 Friday.

Sigh. I will almost certainly regret this.

But let me type it Slooooowly.

I am not advocating the 'murder of disabled children'.

I am saying that in situations where a person is so severely brain damaged (for eg those in PVS for number of years) that any recovery seems hopeless, where that person cannot communicate/feed/have any kind of relationship with another or any kind of enjoyment of life then as a society we need to have a discussion about this.

I would have a better more dignified death as a dog in this society than a human.

Fiofio, I don't get your point because I am not talking about children with learning difficulties. I was talking about one specific child as an example of a general proposition that we need to talk more about these issues.

But all of you who would far rather waste your time frothing about my child murdering tendencies... I would say go back and actually read what I wrote?? but that would probably spoil your fun eh.

Must dash, so many kittens, so few buckets.

o tiredlady, only just noticed your post from a while back. Thanks. And good point you make also.

I deeply distrust most medical opinions on 'quality of life'. My experience is with learning difficulties and I've come to the conclusion that many people - particularly medics- although I have met exceptions (and it seems more blunt in a medical model) struggle to see quality of life for people with learning disabilities. They fail to see the value in their lives - and somehow imagine their quality of life to be less than that of someone without LD's.

And no- I really would not want to give them the keys to the gas chamber.

riven- it sorts out the problem for them, makes people feel better.

Very little is know about PVS anyway- not enough to play God- people have woken up after years of apparently being in PVS. see here for example. IMagine being the parent who had (under advice) taken the decision to euthanise - and then a few years later coming across this. Well, it would quite simply destroy you wouldn't it.

spero
actually tbh I don't think you will regret it.
The issue is deeply felt and extremely raw for many people on here.
The issues of quality of life are a terrible fear for many of us parents because we see the value oin our children but we know in our darker moments that one day someone else will gget to decide what happend to our kids.
We live our lives trying to help people to see the joy and value in our children but many refuse to. And those blind, blinkered fools could easily be , say, the person in charge of our childs residential home when we are long gone. Do you not see that?
THAT is why you are getting hostility. But instead of recognising the fear in the writers you choose sarcasm.

I think you are actually rather enjoying yourself.
If you were interested in a sensible calm discussion you would walk away from this thread and find another venue or forum. But you don't do that, happier it seems to goad and antagonise peoples whos most deeply felt fear is who will advocate for their child when they are no longer able to.