Who Killed Jon Bonet Ramsey

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Anyone watching it on Netflix? Half way through the 2nd episode.

not a shred of evidence against the family so far but that ransom note is so so odd

that poor poor girl 😔😔

Well if you’d not bother what spoon you use, that must mean that the Ramseys also wouldn’t, and ergo they killed their child.

No amount of lack of sleep would ever make me serve a yoghurt with a dessert spoon and not a teaspoon. Just wouldn’t do it. I don’t think yoghurt served with a dessert spoon means anything but sometimes people eat yoghurt with dessert spoons. And nor should anyone else.

Yes. Why would an unknown assailant want to abuse a child? Let’s think.

What is utter rubbish? Why would a kidnapper spend some time in the house writing a lengthy ransom note wanting John’s bonus then inflict two fatal injuries at least 45 minutes apart (the head injury was unsurvivable but didn’t kill her immediately IIRC) and spend further time sexually abusing her causing severe genital injuries, then leave her body to be found in the house?

Surely you’d take her with you so you could get the money before it was discovered she was dead?

If you were disturbed trying to get her out of the house during the kidnapping so left her there, why stay there to strangle her and sexually abuse her? You’d leave immediately.

Was the motive kidnapping for ransom or sexual abuse and murder? There always a motive and the Ramsey went to some lengths to convince the police it was a kidnapping.

What do you mean about the haemorrhaging? There was haemorrhaging proving she was still alive when she was strangled yes as the head injury hadn’t killed her yet. Are you saying she didn’t have the head injury as well?

And how do they get on a child’s underwear and under her fingernails?

No, I’m saying that the people who claim the head injury killed her and the rest of it was staged are talking bollocks - because the strangulation killed her as evidenced by the haemorrhaging.

Where is the evidence the head injury and strangulation were 45 minutes apart?

There was clearly no kidnapper. Just someone playing for time, who could’ve well been in the house for hours.

The motive? Paedophilia.

Of course it's true. There is a link to an open letter to the Grand Jury posted by one of the couple friends of the Ramseys who were there that night on this thread. Read it.

Note clearly written by the mother. She clearly was a co- conspirator as there would be no need for the note otherwise. Also , this note is war and peace ! Not the panicked actions of a kidnapper trying to get in and out with a child.

I have always believed this child was being abused (sexually or otherwise) Some of the photos of her are pretty sexualised and show her as an “adult” in the make up and stances etc. I know this happens in pageants, but there is something about this child behaving so impeccably that’s it’s not natural for her age, like she has been conditioned. The family dynamics are weird here, and it’s always felt off to me. The note is absolutely the mother’s, also, so for whoever killed that little angel, her mother was covering for them.

😂😂

Because we touch things and then touch other things and it moves around.

Are you ok? You seem very, very heated by people not agreeing with you.

You seem very, very heated by people not agreeing with you.

I have to agree with this to the point where it's not really a discussion thread anymore so it's pointless contributing.

The bottom line is that no-one knows for certain what happened. You can take every bit of 'evidence' and argue opposite view points.

For example some say the garrotte was tight. Others say it was tight due to the corpse swelling. I'm not an expert so I've no idea. And I've watched enough true crime documentaries to know that even experts get it wrong.

What I do know is that had the parents been poor we probably wouldn't even know who JBR was. A pp made a good point about the Menendez brothers.

The Menendez brothers are alive and can talk about the abuse they suffered, JonBenet can’t.

Also, at the time of their trial the media ridiculed them and few people believed that they had been victims of sexual abuse and instead, saw it as a desperate excuse to avoid jail. It’s hard to believe that those attitudes now.

The bottom line is that no-one knows for certain what happened. You can take every bit of 'evidence' and argue opposite view points.

I agree. The case is like a kaleidoscope, the same fragments forming different patterns every time you turn it. You can take every piece of known evidence and arrange it in a different pattern, and suddenly it's clear it was XYZ who did it.

Could the pants have been brand new and handled in the factory and got onto her nails by her handling the pants?

@XelaM

Also their friends who were in the house that night all turned on them and tried to get the police and DA's office to actually do their jobs because it was so obviously a cover up.

Is this true? I can't remember reading this - can you share the source?

I am somewhat irritated that people continue to insist one of the Ramseys killed JonBenet without one single shred of evidence.

Pointless contributing ie. the continuous allegations that one of JonBenet’s family killed her are being challenged and I don’t like it because none of the evidence stacks up against them.

It was the DNA of a white man and they followed the entire supply chain back to China and no white man was involved.

No it isn’t true. It wasn’t ‘all’ their friends. They didn’t ’turn on them’. They do not accuse the Ramseys of murder in that letter.

I'm actually starting to think you're one of the Ramseys. How can you say there is no evidence against the family?! Just because they weren't caught on camera and the evidence is circumstantial doesn't mean that there is no evidence. The intruder version of events is the one that absolutely does not stack up at any level. Apart from all the other impossibilities, the ransom note simply could not have been written by an intruder. The ransom note is very strong evidence of no outsider being involved. So if the starting point is that the ransom note was written by Patsy it could only have been one of the family who killed her.

But that isn’t the starting point. People like to think that that note was written by Patsy, because they were able to rule out John or Burke having written it, and therefore people have decided Patsy wrote it. But why would she?

If an intruder was in that house whilst the family was out on Christmas Day, they had hours undisturbed to write that note.

Some of the world’s leading experts on forensics and criminal psychology agree that it was not perpetrated by an intruder. Others disagree.

Don’t let it wind you up so much.

You are being ridiculous @O6bftdff to say there is not a single shred of evidence pointing to the Ramsey's. Your position appears to be based only on what the Ramsey's say or from their experts. Anything that doesn't fit - you are saying isn't true. The 45 minutes (at least) between head blow and death is not a disputed fact by any side you just won't hear the Ramsey's make much comment on this except something like 'it was someone with a sick mind'. I kind of gave up on this thread because I wondered if you were Lin Wood the way you were reacting. Very blinkered.

Gosh, what do you think an intruder with an interest in little girls might be doing in the 45 minutes or however long it was between head blow and death by slow strangulation?

Probably getting lost in a large messy house in the dark looking for objects to make some sort of weapon out for his kidnapping because he forgot to bring anything with him despite stalking the house out for weeks to get familiar with it.

No idea who Lin Wood is. Where is this evidence that points to the Ramseys? There is never any given. Real evidence I mean. Not ‘JonBenet ate pineapple so her parents must have killed her’ or ‘there was no footprints in the snow so her brother obviously killed her in a fit of temper’. There is no evidence.

And that's how little you know about it @O6bftdff