Eurovision Malmö 3

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Let's get a result...

Only the acts that come in the top ten in the national televotes get points. It’s like the jury scoring: the winner gets 12 points, the runner up 10 points, and so on.

Olly could’ve come 11th in the televote in multiple counties and still got 0.

I think the elaborate staging meant that Olly couldn’t then sing his best. The song was poppy really so could have done with less edgy staging. Nemo’s staging was great with that tipping disc - simple and clever. Olly would have performed better on that. He was a good chance for us as very likeable in himself so it was a shame

I thought it was great this year - far more engaging than years ago.

Israel’s song was very good and she sang well. Slimane the French singer was so good - a classy performance.

I think you are confusing the Finnish entry with someone else. Last year Finland sent someone with black trousers and a green puffy sleeve top. However, it was quirky and fun.

They're not rounded up or down. The top 10 songs are given points i.e. 12, 10, then from 8 down to 1. Coming 11th or lower means 0 points from either a jury or national televote.

We should send Steps next year - they'd enjoy it and put on a good show!

Thank you @frankincenseandmyrrh and @AprilDecember

That all sounds fair, not.

This.

One of the issues with Eurovision is that we are an Ireland. That means we don't cross borders regularly and don't have the same cultural crossovers with our neighbours. Ireland excepted. And Ireland has a history of not qualifying for the final!

People talk about political block voting. But actually it's more cultural overall and common preferences in music.

As a rule, a good song at Eurovision cross all borders and has universal appeal. It has to to get enough points to win.

Our song was overcooked in production. Olly wasn't able to do that routine and have amazing vocals. He should have realised this. Eurovision won't forgive you for poor technical performance (it's one of the criteria the jury looks for). Then the staging was 'too gay'. The UK team got the idea that Eurovision is just for the gays and that's really not the case. It took it from being openly gay to soft porn. We have an issue with pride march in the UK doing this and becoming less family friendly. The song didn't engage with fans either. Theres not singalongable quality to it really. And in the staging Olly was isolated in his toilet box, leaving sections of the crowd unable to see for much of the performance. It was all about the camera work rather than drama to create a special moment. Great music vid but this is ultimately a song contest and we constantly seem to forget this.

Not surprised at the public vote. We were supposed to score better on the jury vote anyway.

Finland didn't have yellow shorts last year, at two people in this thread have made reference to an extremely distinctive outfit that didn't exist! It's funny how memories work. He was in a bright green puffy bolero jacket, no shirt, and black pvc full-length trousers. His dancers were in neon pink Latin dance style outfits.

2022 is probably a great example of how any genre can do well - the top 3 was super diverse, I don't think Ukraine would have won in different circumstances but it would have done well because it was well performed and catchy and had hooks. Sam was Sam, and then Spain had a gyrating modern pop song with a slightly naff bejewelled matador theme and fantastic choreography. But crucially all performances were professional. People won't vote for weak performance, especially if coupled with weak vocals.

It doesn't mean no one voted. The votes are used to award the 1-8, 10 and 12 points for that country; so they will take the top 10 scoring songs for each country, plus the 'rest of the world' and award the corresponding number of points. Those are then added up - so if a song got 10 points from each of 36 countries plus rest of the world, they would get 370 points.

In theory Olly could have been the 11th most voted-for song in every territory, but he wouldn't score any points.

This is spot on as was your comment about 100,000 Armenians being "cleared" just recently - the latest in a long line of attacks on Amenians going back many years.

Staggeringly little comment around Eurovision for any of these. Can't think what the difference is.

I'm sure I remember the EBC making a point of keeping it outside of prevailing politics with the support of the audience. That was part of the appeal - a bit of fluff and escapism bringing countries together.

In recent years artists have increasingly used the event for gesture politics - and now its the target of social media outrage - but very selective social media outrage.

Try to understand how the voting system works before going 'its not fair!'.

At my party last night we did score sheets and you were able to vote for the UK.

Out of ten of us only two gave the UK points. And we are biased in favour of the UK.

I couldn't give him points because he wasn't one of the ten best acts. As soon as you are about this position funny things start happening with the points precisely because of how the system works.

It just wasn't good enough.

It does feel brutal, yes! But that's how Eurovision scoring has worked since the dawn of time. Football could be judged on how many minutes you keep the ball away from your opponents instead of goals scored, but it's not. It feels quite mean when a country gets few or zero points, the way it's revealed is savage but dramatic TV.

Interesting. She still has her accent so I wouldn't have known that.

That was a brilliant song: "And we're all gonna shine a light together". That had winner written all over it. One of the truly last great songs at the competition.

The main issue in regard to the UK entry is the low reputation of Eurovision in terms of music credibility. No serious upcoming artist is going to touch it with a bargepole. Sam Ryder was the best by a long way in years. The only acts that predominantly enter it are karaoke level unknowns or those who have already had their success (Bonnie Tyler and Englebert Humperdink). Someone of the quality of an Ed Sheeran wouldn't have grown up thinking "must play Eurovision".

Music generally has got worse as there are far fewer big names. At festivals today all the big names from the past dominate, Elton John at Glastonbury last year where he was sensational. There is no Elton John equivalent today, or Queen, or Rolling Stones, or Pink Floyd etc. Similarly, Eurovision hasn't produced a good song in a long time (probably since that Katrina and the Waves one).

Televote by country

I've now read three different official explanations re how the public votes are calculated and am still none the wiser re that. But Olly got points from some juries. Just zero from the public.

My 9yo daughter summed it up - there was no 'shimmy shimmy.' No big dance numbers or amazing outfits.
I liked Austria's dance track at the end, I'm surprised that didn't do better.

I think that's not true.

It gave Sam Ryder his big break.

For the right person and song it's an opportunity. But the UK don't pick the right artists for that.

Our selection process is still geared up to thinking about career commercial success and popularity in the UK. Not whether it's a good song. And that's our problem. Too many music executives!

Oh stop it. Palestinians have been attacked for over 80 years- their land taken forcibly, not just in 1948, but bit by bit, ever since.But they don't count do they? Take a good look at history.

It's similar to first past the post vs proportional representation in an election. If they simply scored all songs in order of the total number of votes received, the results after the top 12 might be in a completely different order.

Good idea!

For what it’s worth I don’t think my northern home country hates UK at all. It’s more of a case of thinking that UK is so big and powerful it won’t need our piddly little votes. And when several small nations thinks the same, the result is UK not getting any votes.

I loved Måneskin, great song, stage energy and Damiano having bags of charisma.

We seem to do better when we have acts without backing dancers. Sam and his guitar, Katrina and the band, Bucks Fizz just had mic stands (and great costumes!). When we rely on dancers to bulk up or carry the song it doesn't work.

But history shows that UK really does need votes though doesn't it

A. Israel have a right to defend themselves. They do not have a right to slaughter innocent civilians, to tell people to move to certain areas to avoid being caught up in their military action and then decide they’re going to bomb those areas too - they are treating Palestinians like rats in a trap who literally have nowhere else to go - they don’t have a right to prevent innocent men, women and children from receiving food, water and medical aid. The Israeli government and military is displaying a cruelty towards ordinary Palestinian people which is not justified by they have a right to defend themselves

B. Being appalled at the number of Palestinian civilians who have been killed by Israel, and wanting the carnage to stop, can only be seen as ‘supporting terrorist organisations’ if you think that every Palestinian is a terrorist. Do you?

I don’t know how people who support genocide sleep at night. I’d be ashamed of myself.