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Spratt · 2024-04-11T11:54:57+00:00

Got a day off today so I’m binging Baby Reindeer. Two episodes in and it’s great so far, I see that it’s previously been a stage show but I’ve never heard of it so looking forward to finding out what happens. It’s about a comedian being stalked by a woman in her 40s.

rainuntilseptember · 23/04/2024 15:10

I don't think we should be repeating the name. It might well be on other sites but I personally don't go on them. And anyway "everyone else is doing it" isn't really an excuse.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 23/04/2024 15:11

JojoSeawitchHasBeenABadBadGirl · 23/04/2024 11:53

I'll be honest - I'm amazed that it hasn't hit the tabloids.
The stalker in question has allegedly previously stalked two famous MPs (well, famous in Scotland).
If I can find that out relatively quickly, anyone can.
As for disguising details, nope.
Scottish
Physicality
Accusing previous victim's parents of abuse.
It's all real.

Lots of the media are now picking up on this.

'Dangerous fallout' article below from todays Guardian.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/apr/23/richard-gadd-baby-reindeer-netflix-fallout

The dangerous fallout from Baby Reindeer: should Richard Gadd have been less honest about his abusers?

The internet is rife with speculation about the real-life stalker and real-life abuser from the Netflix hit. But is this show about exploitation starting to seem uncomfortably careless – even exploitative?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/apr/23/richard-gadd-baby-reindeer-netflix-fallout

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 15:28

RainbowZebraWarrior · 23/04/2024 15:06

I'd love to know how this all stacks up legally. I mean, do Netflix not have a legal team doing due diligence before this is made? Surely they must do something to prevent potential litigation. When does it constitute defamation / libel?

A bloke surely can't just walk up to a platform like Netflix and pitch a show 'based on true life' and they just say "that's smashing, we will take your word for it that you've changed details to protect identities"

Or would Netflix just say the same as RG is saying; it's all coincidence, and that details really were changed. That's obviously just lip service, from what I can see. Do they just not give a fuck?

Fuck me, it's like a massive exercise in gaslighting.

They probably would have got away with telling his story documentary style, with her real name and pictures because she was convicted. Surely it's no different to any other true crime show, like 24 hours in police custody., They name and shame and put it all out there.
The only difference with this show is that lots of people seem to sympathise with Martha, I don't know why.

leopardsnowleopard · 23/04/2024 15:33

notanothernana · 23/04/2024 11:56

JMSA

What you're saying is true though.
When he shagged Martha, I was like 'what the fuck are you doing, man?'
And as for going back to his abuser, come on. Some serious lapses of judgement happening.

Interesting. I took that scene as fantasy, a masturbation fantasy and not real.

Because it's not real

burnoutbabe · 23/04/2024 15:46

is it defamation anyway if its True?

so how could that woman sue when "the sting in the story" is true. (and its all in theory fiction anyway).

Balingodh · 23/04/2024 15:49

I didn't love it. Richard Gadd's not a natural actor though I appreciate its biographical.

taylorswift1989 · 23/04/2024 16:46

God, Some of this was hard to watch.

Wtf was he doing going back to his rapist's house at the end? I didn't understand that at all.

ICantThinkofAnythingClever · 23/04/2024 16:54

I'm just watching this now and I'm finding myself having to skip his "comedy" numbers. I don't know if there's anything important to the plot happening during them, I hope not, but they are so bad. I can't stand bad stand up comedy, the vicarious cringe is physically painful. I certainly hope Richard's actual real-life comedy is better than this, otherwise he should find a different job.

leopardsnowleopard · 23/04/2024 17:19

Well he does have a new job, screen writer and actor.

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 17:25

taylorswift1989 · 23/04/2024 16:46

God, Some of this was hard to watch.

Wtf was he doing going back to his rapist's house at the end? I didn't understand that at all.

People stay in marriages and relationships and friendships with rapists all the time, it's very sad and probably stems from shame, insecurity and a completely broken justice system.

fatphalange · 23/04/2024 17:29

ICantThinkofAnythingClever · 23/04/2024 16:54

I'm just watching this now and I'm finding myself having to skip his "comedy" numbers. I don't know if there's anything important to the plot happening during them, I hope not, but they are so bad. I can't stand bad stand up comedy, the vicarious cringe is physically painful. I certainly hope Richard's actual real-life comedy is better than this, otherwise he should find a different job.

It struck me how godawful the 'comedy' was. Then I read later that he is apparently award winning and quite good.
Depicting the comedy as soooo bad in the series seems like yet another self harm behaviour. Or maybe he's a masochist...or both.

Inkanta · 23/04/2024 17:43

Yes I wondered why the jokes in his routine were so obviously bad, and then the silent pauses after. What did he expect.

taylorswift1989 · 23/04/2024 17:53

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 17:25

People stay in marriages and relationships and friendships with rapists all the time, it's very sad and probably stems from shame, insecurity and a completely broken justice system.

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Yeah, I don't mean why did he go back time after time when he was being groomed and raped. I mean, why, at the end, after he'd confessed what had happened and got support, did he go round to the guy's house for a cup of tea and a friendly chat?

I cannot imagine ever voluntarily just popping in to my rapist's house for a cosy chinwag. I didn't understand his reasoning there at all.

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 18:09

Yeah, I don't mean why did he go back time after time when he was being groomed and raped. I mean, why, at the end, after he'd confessed what had happened and got support, did he go round to the guy's house for a cup of tea and a friendly chat?

I cannot imagine ever voluntarily just popping in to my rapist's house for a cosy chinwag. I didn't understand his reasoning there at all.

@taylorswift1989

Neither would I but people do, an old friend of mine for example was with a guy who raped/hit her (a real nasty piece of work)
Years after they split he got back in touch and she went on dates with him. It was infuriating to watch, she was such a beautiful, funny, nice woman.. severe self esteem issues. They stemmed from a bad childhood.

Willmafrockfit · 23/04/2024 18:10

rainuntilseptember · 23/04/2024 15:10

I don't think we should be repeating the name. It might well be on other sites but I personally don't go on them. And anyway "everyone else is doing it" isn't really an excuse.

absolutely agree

RainbowZebraWarrior · 23/04/2024 18:17

burnoutbabe · 23/04/2024 15:46

is it defamation anyway if its True?

so how could that woman sue when "the sting in the story" is true. (and its all in theory fiction anyway).

The man that has been 'identified' as his abuser has contacted police about defamatory and abusive posts on social media. This is as a result of this programme. It's a mess, because even if it is true (and was him) its still defamation. If its not true (and wasn't him) then obviously that's worse again.

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 18:36

@RainbowZebraWarrior

Then how do other true crime shows get away with it?
Also as another example of this, years ago I was at work and the police come in (to a packed department store) and arrested my colleague for rape. Everyone in the shop witnessed and heard, the case was not taken to court but i live in a small town and mud sticks. So could my colleague have sued the police for publicly shaming him?

Inkanta · 23/04/2024 18:39

RainbowZebraWarrior · 23/04/2024 18:17

The man that has been 'identified' as his abuser has contacted police about defamatory and abusive posts on social media. This is as a result of this programme. It's a mess, because even if it is true (and was him) its still defamation. If its not true (and wasn't him) then obviously that's worse again.

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Wow what an outcome!

Netaporter · 23/04/2024 18:48

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 18:36

@RainbowZebraWarrior

Then how do other true crime shows get away with it?
Also as another example of this, years ago I was at work and the police come in (to a packed department store) and arrested my colleague for rape. Everyone in the shop witnessed and heard, the case was not taken to court but i live in a small town and mud sticks. So could my colleague have sued the police for publicly shaming him?

No your colleague can’t. The Police are reasonably required to act on the information and evidence supplied. There has been talk of making anonymity for both parties in this specific area - the accuser is assured of anonymity but the accused is not. The issue with Libel (and slander) is that it is a civil matter and very, very expensive to take to court. In this specific example of the alleged abuser on Baby Reindeer I would imagine that the online posts have now potentially strayed into Malicious communications terriory and thus potentially it is a criminal offence - this would be supported by the Instagram post made by Richard Gadd yesterday when he tried to stop the speculation about the person concerned.

Netaporter · 23/04/2024 18:54

Curlyblondefemale · 23/04/2024 18:36

@RainbowZebraWarrior

Then how do other true crime shows get away with it?
Also as another example of this, years ago I was at work and the police come in (to a packed department store) and arrested my colleague for rape. Everyone in the shop witnessed and heard, the case was not taken to court but i live in a small town and mud sticks. So could my colleague have sued the police for publicly shaming him?

If a person has died no libel (or slander) claim can be brought. If the person is alive and there are enough facts for whatever has been claimed to be substantiated, it would be up to the person accused to take the matter to a civil court. It would be incredibly expensive to take the BBC (as an example) to court and the BBC would have plenty of fact-checking (more than one source) and a lawyer on hand to review any allegation before it was aired.

The issue with Baby Reindeer is whether or not Richard Gadd did actually change enough of the details to make the persons he based the characters on unidentifiable enough or not. And whether or not Netflix checked it and found it to be water-tight before airing.

burnoutbabe · 23/04/2024 19:07

@RainbowZebraWarrior

It's a defence to sny defamation case that it is true.

Now that's easy in case of the lady -she admitted it and plead guilty.

But yes how do you prove rape? I can't imagine many courts would say on balance of probability he is making it up -where would that leave any woman saying she was raped? Unable to ever speak her truth? Wouldn't the man have to claim it was consensual? Which is at least admitting some truth to it,

AmusedMaker · 23/04/2024 19:13

One of the best things I’ve seen in ages.
His ‘comedy’ was awful but maybe that was the joke? ( so bad it’s good )
I thought he was a good actor but not as good as the other main leads.

RollnRock · 23/04/2024 19:22

AmusedMaker · 23/04/2024 19:13

One of the best things I’ve seen in ages.
His ‘comedy’ was awful but maybe that was the joke? ( so bad it’s good )
I thought he was a good actor but not as good as the other main leads.

I thought he did quite a good job of playing Richard Gadd. The likeness was uncanny.

leopardsnowleopard · 23/04/2024 19:23

AmusedMaker · 23/04/2024 19:13

One of the best things I’ve seen in ages.
His ‘comedy’ was awful but maybe that was the joke? ( so bad it’s good )
I thought he was a good actor but not as good as the other main leads.

"Anti-comedy" is mentioned in the show

Netaporter · 23/04/2024 19:24

RollnRock · 23/04/2024 19:22

I thought he did quite a good job of playing Richard Gadd. The likeness was uncanny.

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The actor is Richard Gadd? He wrote it and then starred in it….‘Donny’ is the name he gave the character meant to be him.