Page 20 | The Crown - season 6

1975wasthebest · 2023-11-06T12:01:09+00:00

Is anyone else looking forward to this? The first part of the final season is on Netflix from 16th November (four episodes), and the second part (six episodes) from 14th December. [[https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/the-crown-season-6 https://www.vogue.co.uk/arts-and-lifestyle/article/the-crown-season-6]] I thought the previous series was a bit boring so I'm hoping for more drama this time round.

8misskitty8 · 19/12/2023 06:49

Watched the ritz episode yesterday. I had to check who played the young Elizabeth as she looked so much like Claire Foy that I wondered if they had got her back to play her and used the de-aging cgi on her.
Thought the episode was really well done. Lesley manville was excellent in it.

Hels20 · 19/12/2023 07:23

I agree - I also thought young Princess Elizabeth bore a massive resemblance to Claire Foy. Great casting. One of my favourite episodes from the whole 6 seasons.

DappledThings · 19/12/2023 08:52

The green screen in the chapel in the final scenes was a bit distracting.

Passepartoute · 19/12/2023 09:51

derxa · 18/12/2023 13:09

Bertie Carvel’s accent is spot on. Some Scottish vowels in there.

Yes, I was impressed by that. He also lightened his voice so you could quite believe it was Blair if you closed your eyes.

Newgirls · 20/12/2023 09:52

The Blair episode was excellent. What amazing casting and acting. Tempted to join the WI now

KimberleyClark · 20/12/2023 10:42

CapitalKnockers · 18/12/2023 21:52

The teen years Harry actor was totally out of place for me, his haircut was appalling and the kind of do that lads have now, not back then. Every time he was on screen it took me out of the show.

I agree. He was too thin in the face too and totally different from Harry on build.

I don’t believe for a moment that the Queen seriously considered abdication and that she wouldn’t have discussed it at least with her husband to before making a final decision.

KimberleyClark · 20/12/2023 10:57

1975wasthebest · 17/12/2023 16:41

The same as you. My favourite Queen Mother actress was the first one, Victoria Hamilton.

I also think there's been some superb performances by actors in small parts - Samuel West as Anthony Blunt, Tom Brooke as Michael Fagan, and Stephen Dillane as Graham Sutherland (who painted Churchill in series 1). I also loved Gillian Anderson as Thatcher.

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I also thought Jason Watkins was brilliant as Harold Wilson.

Thedrownedprophet · 20/12/2023 13:55

Just finished it. I found it to be extremely moving in the end. I'm not even British and felt the loss of QE2 so much in those final scenes. We'll n'er see her like again.

Imelda Staunton and Leslie Manville deserve all the praise for that, and I thought Jonathan Price nailed the DoE in the final episodes. When they were taking the wedding pics in particular.

HowdidImanagetohavetwoaccountaandthenloseboth · 21/12/2023 14:16

My thoughts and picking up on previous comments . Enjoyed it overall . Liked the ending and yes you could tell the last series was written recently re portraying Harry and dwelling on London Bridge too.

Re M AF , I was taken back by the number of OP who were taken to him previously in past series painting him with rose tinted spectacles. I asked a close relative of mine who worked for him as his architect in the late 80s and 90s but before the death of his son. He said ( admittedly only met him in person a few times ) he found him clever , shrewd and scheming . I suspect it was his immense grief that made him attack on all fronts after. He seemed quite batty so yes I think thr writers were spot on re M AF

Re Harry . People do stupid things when they are young but what really changed my opinion on H recently was his recent comment in Spare about that uniform , complaining that it was all W and K s fault because they didn’t advise him at the time . As the adult he is supposed to be now he couldn’t see the problem with it. He strikes me as rather thick in RL . And yes I suspect Netflix do know what he is like though not sure how much they would influence the writing. I thought most of the character assassination came from Spare ironically since he ghost writer it.

People did share rooms at my uni in the 80s and my DH did at his . But we calked them terms not semesters.

Hbh17 · 22/12/2023 17:13

Finally watched the whole series. I agree that the potential abdication storyline was twaddle, but given that our memories of QEII's death and funeral are so recent, the last episode was actually quite emotional. Even tho it was a bit odd, I liked the device of bringing back all the different versions of Elizabeth.
I also thought the one-to-one scenes between William and Granny were well done.
Harry seems to have been written with the benefit of hindsight.... someone at Netflix really doesn't like him!
On a more positive note, Jonathan Pryce - wonderful!

EasternStandard · 22/12/2023 17:17

I liked the Ritz episode

As pp said Harry is off putting in this series

Kate is believable as Kate

thebellagio · 23/12/2023 08:26

I’ve got one episode to go.

I loved series 1-2, thought they were utterly perfect, series 3-4 were a bit meh, series 5 I couldn’t even finish and this one has been a bit blah. But the ritz? Utterly sublime. Lesley Manville deserves awards for that performance.

but bloody hell, they stitched Carole Middleton up didn’t they? I don’t for one minute think she’s like that. She’s a private citizen who has never put a foot wrong, and quite frankly, the support that her and her husband have given William should be praised and acknowledged.

as for Harry, they’ve really pushed him as an insufferable twat haven’t they? Quite surprisingly considering his deal with Netflix.

Portakalkedi · 23/12/2023 09:12

Just finished, and thought they really should have left it at the last series. Some of the casting is terrible, particularly the Queen Mother and Harry. Cringed for the Middletons, and yes agree that Harry is portrayed as the whinging brat he has shown himself to be. Imelda Staunton was fab.

LoreleiG · 23/12/2023 09:33

thebellagio · 23/12/2023 08:26

I’ve got one episode to go.

I loved series 1-2, thought they were utterly perfect, series 3-4 were a bit meh, series 5 I couldn’t even finish and this one has been a bit blah. But the ritz? Utterly sublime. Lesley Manville deserves awards for that performance.

but bloody hell, they stitched Carole Middleton up didn’t they? I don’t for one minute think she’s like that. She’s a private citizen who has never put a foot wrong, and quite frankly, the support that her and her husband have given William should be praised and acknowledged.

as for Harry, they’ve really pushed him as an insufferable twat haven’t they? Quite surprisingly considering his deal with Netflix.

I also have one episode to go and agree about Carol. Totally stitched up - there is no way she is like that IRL. I felt it was quite misogynistic. Also about Harry. I’d be pretty peeved if I were him.

Otherwise I have enjoyed it all even the less good bits. I loved Imelda Staunton, Jonathan Pryce and Lesley Manville in particular this season. The Ritz is my favourite of this season so far. I cried at the end.

Newgirls · 23/12/2023 09:41

I agree the Middletons have been exceptional in real life - they’ve been discrete and I can imagine others wouldn’t

but you can well imagine it crossing a parents mind to encourage their kid to apply to St. Andrews at that time. I bet others did - parents of the eton boys too im sure.

thebellagio · 23/12/2023 10:45

Newgirls · 23/12/2023 09:41

I agree the Middletons have been exceptional in real life - they’ve been discrete and I can imagine others wouldn’t

but you can well imagine it crossing a parents mind to encourage their kid to apply to St. Andrews at that time. I bet others did - parents of the eton boys too im sure.

That’s a valid point - there will have been a ton of artisocratic/financier types who sent their son to boarding school and will have tried switching to St Andrews to try and meet William.

2024BigWhoop · 01/01/2024 00:35

I’ve just watched episode 5 and I struggled so much with the timeline at first….

I couldn’t work out why it was portraying life a few weeks/months after Diana’s death but William looked about 22 years old and Harry was drinking alcohol at home when he was supposed to be about 12?

I honestly thought I was going mad.

Once I finally clicked that it was just ridiculous casting I was able to get into the episode a little more but I still found it really hard to fully settle into it because the casting of what looked like two adults to play 13 and 15 year old boys always made it seem ‘off’.

And were there really thousands of girls and young women screaming in hysteria and swooning with their “I love you William” banners over a 15 year old boy?!

It all just seemed really odd.

I’m going to watch episode 6 tomorrow and hope it gets better……

MarkWithaC · 01/01/2024 11:29

The Ritz was fantastic. What a treat to see Imelda Staunton and Lesley Manville in basically a two-hander. They are both exceptional actors. LM I thought really invoked Vanessa Kirby’s mannerisms and spirit as the younger Margaret.

Lottapianos · 01/01/2024 11:40

'The Ritz was fantastic. What a treat to see Imelda Staunton and Lesley Manville in basically a two-hander. They are both exceptional actors.'

I agree. Both brilliant actors and a joy to watch. And the young actors looked exactly like Vanessa Kirby and Claire Foy!

Overall I thought it was a much better series than the reviews said, although they probably should have called time after season 5.

LoreleiG · 01/01/2024 11:58

Totally agree, a brilliant episode and it was really uncanny how much like the ‘young’ princesses the girls were.

Taytocrisps · 01/01/2024 15:16

I loved the Princess Margaret episode also. I didn't realize she'd scalded herself. Or maybe I'd read it and forgotten. Poor thing. Perhaps it's a good thing she died when she did. I suspect she'd have hated to live with a disability and the constraints it would have imposed on her lifestyle. Although she'd have been in a more fortunate position than most due to the ability to pay for first class care.

It was a series of two halves really - one half focusing on Diana and the events leading up to her death. The other half paving the way for William and Kate's romance and marriage. I couldn't help feeling sorry for William and Harry. Not only because they lost their mother at such a young age but because they must have learnt fairly early on that their parents' marriage was a sham. And having to live their entire lives in the limelight. Even the episode (forget which one) where they were getting ready to go to a royal function and Charles was preparing them by telling them about the foreign royals/dignitaries who would be there. Clearly the boys had no interest in going or meeting those people. It really is a gilded cage.

The advent of social media will make things even more difficult going forward (I'm thinking of the next generation of royals) - the need to have a constant online presence. It's not a life I would choose for me or my children. They could, of course, walk away, as Harry has done. But I'm sure it's not an easy thing to do - to turn your back on your family and the firm and all of that tradition.

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 01/01/2024 18:36

I've listened to a few podcasts over the holidays and most are in agreement that the depiction of Carole Middleton was quite awful and rather unfair.

The official podcast of The Crown interviewed both the Director and co script writer for the episode and they took the angle that Carole should be seen as a strong, feminist entrepreneur who didn't believe Kate should feel inadequate to anyone else.

Carole was from a working class background and was assumed to have married 'up' but it was she who provided the family money through her successful business acumen.

Not sure if that came across but interesting if that's how they wanted to portray her

LoobyDop · 01/01/2024 19:13

I can see that there was some of that in the way they portrayed her, but the Mrs Bennet-style machinations were unnecessary for that.

LoreleiG · 01/01/2024 19:41

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 01/01/2024 18:36

I've listened to a few podcasts over the holidays and most are in agreement that the depiction of Carole Middleton was quite awful and rather unfair.

The official podcast of The Crown interviewed both the Director and co script writer for the episode and they took the angle that Carole should be seen as a strong, feminist entrepreneur who didn't believe Kate should feel inadequate to anyone else.

Carole was from a working class background and was assumed to have married 'up' but it was she who provided the family money through her successful business acumen.

Not sure if that came across but interesting if that's how they wanted to portray her

Interesting. I think that part probably did come across but I felt she was also portrayed as quite calculating. What podcasts were they apart from the official one out of interest?

JSMill · 01/01/2024 20:37

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 01/01/2024 18:36

I've listened to a few podcasts over the holidays and most are in agreement that the depiction of Carole Middleton was quite awful and rather unfair.

The official podcast of The Crown interviewed both the Director and co script writer for the episode and they took the angle that Carole should be seen as a strong, feminist entrepreneur who didn't believe Kate should feel inadequate to anyone else.

Carole was from a working class background and was assumed to have married 'up' but it was she who provided the family money through her successful business acumen.

Not sure if that came across but interesting if that's how they wanted to portray her

I think it's really important to make the point that Kate shouldn't have felt inadequate to anyone else and that's what a good mother would do. However the Carole Middleton in the Crown made her dd feel like crap for bringing home a nice boy who wasn't a prince. Where's the evidence that she was that type of person? I've read a few things about how she handled the situation when Kate was being bullied and she seems to be a mum who puts her dcs wellbeing first.