Anyone watched the shamina begum documentary on bbc 2 ?

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Just watching it now

I've changed my mind . She was a child , groomed , no idea what she was getting into .

I don't think we should demonise one child forever . There are much bigger threats out there that people don't even realise.

She should be brought back and face our legal system.
It should be against international law to make anyone stateless - if this was ok then any country could just make any criminal outside of their country no longer their citizen. It was be chaos. Plus Syria will have enough to deal when it eventually starts to rebuild without having loads of stateless isis people they can't send back anywhere.
Bring her home, put her in jail. Interview her and find out properly what happened. Then we can learn and hope the same thing doesn't happen again.

Can I just ask?
When posters say that SB should be returned to the UK to face trial/punishment here, what exactly would she be tried for?
What crime did SB commit in the UK?

Joining a terrorist organisation. At the point that she decided to go there, I suppose she did essentially become a member. The more I think about it, the more I think she perhaps is telling the truth. Her friend who was also captured managed to escape. I suspect that if she wanted to, she could have also escaped. She also made it clear that she doesn't want to get back with her husband.

I thought membership of or travelling for purposes of terrorism was an offence? Is it?

The thing is, if she’s not able to be convicted of anything then surely she is receiving punishment (in form of removal of her citizenship) for something she hasn’t been found guilty of in a court of law.

Due process. If there isn’t enough evidence to convict her of a crime then surely there isn’t enough evidence of her being a terrorism or supporting terrorism.

Someone else mentioned possibility of being tried in Syria. I do think some court process should take place either here or there. I wonder if the reason they removed her citiszenship is because they don’t think they would get a conviction over here?

CpS has this on their website re terrorism -

“Action includes action outside the United Kingdom.

It is important to note that in order to be convicted of a terrorism offence a person doesn't actually have to commit what could be considered a terrorist attack. Planning, assisting and even collecting information on how to commit terrorist acts are all crimes under British terrorism legislation.”

I guess she would fall in to the “assisting” category?

@Tholeont I'm 'disgusted' at your blatant sympathy for her.

Fine @lollipoprainbow I can live with that. None of us can know exactly what she took part in during her time in Syria but I think it’s likely that as a young woman she wouldn’t have had a lot of autonomy or power under Isis. She was 15 when she left and I don’t think anyone deserves to watch three of their babies die - yes I have sympathy for her for that. She deserves fair trial in the courts not by the media or a public witch hunt. And those suggesting she should be tried in Syria need to read up a bit on the Syrian regime and it’s propensity for chemical gassing it’s own people..

She also made it clear that she doesn't want to get back with her husband.

And yet, when she was first interviewed in full black veil and dress, she said she hoped to be able to live with him in his homeland as has wife.

I wonder how her parents and sister are coping? This must be terrible for them.

I watched today and that was the thing that struck me most. Having all the (male) journalists descend for interviews and photos after she'd just arrived (seemingly without friends or family) and given birth a few days earlier.
I also wondered whether she was cagey about some answers for her own security

Poor wee soul that Shamina, driven to get the Yazidi women ready for repeated sexual torture while she herself managed to feel nothing for people whose severed heads had been.dumped in bins round the town.
Yazidi women and children and numerous hostages, some of them British, are the victims here, not that deceitful creature who improves her pity plea every time she gives an interview.