HAPPY VALLEY - s3 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS - thread 6 and episode 6 and the LAST EVER EPISODE FOREVER !!!!!!!!!!

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Getting ready for the MOST waited final episode And most talked about series ever !!!!

I don’t mind if all pile on here now or wait till 5 is full

we are on tenterhooks of what May and could happen !!!

and we have an extra 10mins as well

blondes faints 😂😂

i can’t decide whether to watch and do quick replies so don’t miss anything on tv

or

watch - ignore thread as they can move quickly then come on 10.10pm

what a dilemma !!!

and so our followers including the guardian 😂 can find read and saviours forever the other 5 threads linked below

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I think people were expecting a very different drama to what HV is, I'm like a broken record but there was never going to be some twist, that's never happened.
Everything was tied up nicely, even if it wasn't played out on screen, for that to have happened you'd need Catherine in 3 places at once, she couldn't be at the arrest or interviews of Rob or Faisal as she was too busy dealing with a drugged up, drunk psychopath who'd doused himself in petrol in her kitchen.
Ryan not being there was also perfect as there's no way Catherine would risk him getting anywhere near Tommy so he'd have been at Nevs safely out of the way surrounded by coppers.
Then there's those who thought the episode was TOO violent, Tommy's escape from those blokes was exactly what you'd expect of him, he's a murderer and a rapist. He's evil. He's slit a few throats in the past so not sure why it was a shock?
As for the grave stone, mother to Ryan wasn't on there as she killed herself because she'd been violently raped and Ryan was conceived during that rape, Catherine wouldn't have been able to put his name on there, and I suppose she wasn't his mother in the same why Tommy wasn't his dad, just for very different reasons.
We knew Rob was a child abuser we found that out from Johanna.
The coat was symbolism of a child from a totally fucked up home who needed it for 'security' it was her comfort.

In case you can't guess I agree with those who thought it was perfect

I guess Poppy is there as another vulnerable trapped child who is going to have a lot of problems ahead of her.

It reminds us what TLR was at that age.

HV isn't a cop shop in the traditional sense. It's about human relationships in all their complexities. Policing is just the vehicle to tell those stories.

Hopefully Poppy will be more like Ryan and love will help her to be balanced?

yes because Poppy will be brought up by her grandparents <<sob>>

I find it hard to believe anyone would burn themselves alive 😱 but then that shows TLR sadistic character I guess.

I was expecting there to be some big blow out event like in previous series.
I quite like the fact there wasn't some big explosion or something and that things were resolved.

I would of liked some more on the Joanne story line, even if it was just a shot of them both being carted away via handcuffs

I loved it..so happy that Catherine, Claire and Ryan were reconciled and intact at the end. Thought the two grandmas bit was really clever. Cried for Catherine and her photos and for Tommy when he realised what a happy life Ryan has and did the right thing. Amazing to have sympathy for him but loved how Catherine and Sally wouldn't let us. Really enjoyed Catherine solving the Faisal case on the way out of the building too. They are going to miss her.
The only thing I would have done differently is to have Ryan at the graveside with Catherine at the end . I would have liked to have seen them both put their shades on and go off (just for the hols - back for the GCSE results)

If I were going to play “what happens next” I reckon Faisal gets away with the murder, but gets done for the drugs.

The Crown Prosecution Service think it is an easy sell to get a jury to believe her husband killed her (and are right). Meanwhile the forensics either miss the air bubble or the results are inconclusive enough for it not to upset what seems to be the main story - that she was brutally attacked and died as a result of blunt force trauma to her head.

Faisal gets convicted and loses his job and family. Ends up a broken shell of a man. Probably kills himself a few years later.

It frustrates me - I'm dyslexic, and even when I proof read I often miss stuff (I notice it when it's posted because it's on a coloured background for my own posts and it's easier to read).

HOWEVER - in the interests of full disclosure I should confess that I was typing like a maniac and not checking anything, everything was moving so fast. 😁

But yeah - you're right. Total narc. Even when he felt emotion it was ALL about him. "Becky made ME feel normal" etc. "I forgive you" (for stopping me murdering my son/ arresting me for murder, kidnap and rape/ not letting me burn myself alive). Everyone and everything is just an adjunct to himself - and that includes Ryan.

My heart ached for the child that Tommy once was, but the man he became had no sympathy from me. What is both heartbreaking and terrifying is that there are so many innocent children - so much potential for good and happy lives, contributing to society (Tommy was very intelligent - what could he have been if his early life had been different?) - so many children living lives like little Tommy; unloved, neglected, brutalised. This really is the "sins of the others" being passed down to the umpteenth generation, isn't it?

If Tommy had got away he would never have changed. He was overcome by a wave of sentimentality (and self-pity), but self-obsessed narcissist Tommy would have re-asserted itself very quickly. The first moment someone disagreed with him . . . criticised him . . . looked at him "funny" . . . He said himself that he was cruel to Becky when she effectively asserted herself as an individual with her own needs and wants. In many ways he was trapped in a very early "baby" stage of development - other people are an extension of himself and he needs to control them, use them to serve his own wants, and just become enraged and frustrated when he can't - toddler behaviour.

He still never asked for forgiveness or accepted any of his own horrific behaviour. It was all, in his mind, "Poor Tommy, Poor ME, how I have suffered." And he has - but he's made others suffer, too. There is a darkness in his soul that would never be lightened.

Catherine had the opportunity to stop him immolating himself again - and this time she didn't. She extinguished the flames, but she made no attempt to stop it or talk him out of it. I don't blame her.

I thought that was excellent. The scene with Claire where she so wanted to go to Catherine but wasn't brave enough was beautifully done.

So did I - it avoided cliche, and was a believable "true-life" ending, with a lot of loose ends. 'Cos let's face it - life's a series of loose ends, isn't it?

The human emotion in this is so raw and so well acted - it was amazing.

She was going to Taser him to stop him, when he picked up the matches! He (with a surprising knowledge of petrol / electric charge) talked her out if it due to the alternative potential risk of her getting done for sparking the fire with the taser. She then told him twice not to do it!

She was exhausted. She had not the emotional energy to go along, pretend to be enjoying herself, thank everybody for the present, be nice to w*nkers like Telleki - she would have collapsed. It would have been far too much.

i thought Pfzier was anxious when he found out that the tweedles were arrested, in case they dob him in
either anxious or relieved,
he gave a little skip i think

@Pandor I think your comment shows up well why we didn't need to see the arrest scenes.

SW always goes on for police procedure. They now know to look at Faisal. That may or may not lead to a conviction because as you say, it would be complicated. They wouldn't necessarily even go straight for an arrest.

But we know enough to be sure that the relieved look on his face when he thought he'd got away with it didn't last long (and that his keeping up with the Joneses wife will have left him for dust).

I hate it when I writer leaves you entirely to draw your own conclusions but in this case, we know what happens it's just the finer details left to our imaginations.

HV was always about relationships and not about the crimes. TLR having a change of heart was partly because he knew he was done for. He was badly injured and in no state to put up much of a fight.

Catherine shouldn't have gone into the house but we'd already been shown that she was tired (in all senses) and past caring about her own safety

oh and you could actually tell from Ryan's body language, going up the stairs, that he was proud to be mistaken for a new recruit,
marvellous acting

Yes to both of these.

The acting in this series has been amazing. I can't think of a single weak performance, and SF, JN, SL and "Our Ryan" are beyond words.

I was pretty happy with the final episode but I understand why others might not have been. There are such high expectations when a wildly popular show is reaching its dramatic conclusion that it's never going to satisfy all fans. Same as with the finale of The Sopranos for example. I felt the tying up of Joanna's storyline felt a little shoehorned and rushed. Don't agree with a pp that Rob was an especially complex character.

Basically, it's okay to have not loved the ending. It was never going to have been all things to all people.

“Think it needed a scene if faisal with his family,no idea of what was about to hit him”

I really wanted to see his missus' face . . .

Brilliant!
😂😂😂

Just loved it- a storyline led by the relationships (big and small) between characters.
I loved how in the end, it's Ryan who is the key. He reminds Catherine of the important role Clare played in his life. He's the sensible one, without any 'baggage' despite his difficult early life. He was protected from all that by Catherine and Clare, but poor Catherine didn't see that until the end. Ryan's visits to TLR allowed TLR to get to know him, and in the end realise that Ryan had had a good upbringing and a happy childhood.
I also liked how TLR is the one that helps rid the area of a major drug dealing gang- thus helping Catherine get what she wants, just as her career ends.
And her driving off to the Highlands is much more realistic than the Himalayas- she won't be gone as long and so the implication is she still wants to be involved with her family, rather than leave them all behind.

I think the writing of Rob was really basic - he was painted as a villain from the get-go with no complexity. Paedophile, wife beater, adulterer...no depth or reason, just a Very Bad Person. One more reason why this series needed to have a couple of more episodes.

I was disappointed with it in some ways. Not the acting, but the actual drama.

CC should never, in reality, have gone into the house to confront him.
When she was in there, and activated her panic alert, the police said they'd be there in 5 minutes. Longest 5 mins ever!

But of course if she had stayed outside and radioed for help, there wouldn't have been that final scene between them. So it was very much a construct.

I didn't warm towards her at all through this series. She came across - as intended- as fed up and miserable. It was hard to feel any sympathy. I also found her mumbling annoying - at times the dialogue was almost inaudible and had to keep upping the volume.

Great acting by SL and JN (no doubt up for a BAFTA) but the actual plot line and the development of her character - not so sure.

I think the acting is great. I just wasn’t convinced that TLR would have worked in that end scene if James Norton wasn’t quite as attractive in his own right . I think the broken man idea was fine but the reality is his character is a rapist, has murdered several people with his own hands and watched others being murdered.

In real life no one would feel sorry for him like some of us are. I also doubt looking at photo albums of a childhood he wasn’t part of would have flicked the switch for someone with no empathy for others.

“The coat was symbolism of a child from a totally fucked up home who needed it for 'security' it was her comfort.”

Absolutely agree with this.

I think it gave us a couple of other ideas to ponder too though:

• huge nature nurture theme throughout the show. Two young girls witnessing the same abuse at home, one is outwardly happy the other holed up in her trauma cost
• also huge are monsters 100% bad thread - Rob is a monster, we knew he beat Jo, but I think the extent of broken bones rather than “just” bruises was left for this episode. So he’s a monster. Yet when Poppy won’t take her coat off, he showed frustration in his voice, but didn’t force her. He wasn’t exactly kind about it, but my violent father would have ripped that coat off me - if I hadn’t been too scared to just take it off anyway. So we have this awful man who isn’t bullying his daughter the same way as he is Jo.

I think it just brings so much depth than if both girls had been frightened mice, or outward happy daddy’s girls.