HAPPY VALLEY - s3 - TV PACE. NO SPOILERS - thread 6 and episode 6 and the LAST EVER EPISODE FOREVER !!!!!!!!!!

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Getting ready for the MOST waited final episode And most talked about series ever !!!!

I don’t mind if all pile on here now or wait till 5 is full

we are on tenterhooks of what May and could happen !!!

and we have an extra 10mins as well

blondes faints 😂😂

i can’t decide whether to watch and do quick replies so don’t miss anything on tv

or

watch - ignore thread as they can move quickly then come on 10.10pm

what a dilemma !!!

and so our followers including the guardian 😂 can find read and saviours forever the other 5 threads linked below

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Darius was never helping TLR.

he was going to kill him all along.

why spend tens of thousands helping someone escape who can single hand idly bring down your entire crime empire when you can just kill him and be done.

soon as TLR told the lies about who killed reservoir guy he was a dead man walking. Done everything useful that he could, only represented a liability for Darius.

no way Darius ever ever planned to let him walk away. Too big a risk

Just brilliant. The perfect ending.

My head’s spinning. Thank you Sally Wainwright.

Could have been longer would have liked to see the teachers trail and see fasail get his comeuppance. Catherine should have tazered TLR when he picked up the matches .

I can’t see another theory for Poppy’s coat other than a trauma response and emotional neglect from Joanna. Joanna looked so lost and spaced out, she probably gets the girls in from school and then leaves them too it, neglecting even the small parts of parenting like saying “Take your coat of, Poppy’ and hanging it up. Any theory is ridiculous. She’s going to school in that coat and no doubt has to take it off in the classroom or for PE etc. If she was hiding drugs in there or had bruises they would’ve been noticed by a teacher.

When she went to the graveyard I had expected a mention of 'mother to Ryan' added to the gravestone but there wasn't. Kind of expected more.

TRL proved, in those scenes with Catherine, the delusional mind of the psychopath

I thought the lack of other family members (Richard, Daniel, Ann, Neil) was intentional as ultimately it was Catherine and Claire that were there for Ryan in his formative years, who helped him be a ‘good lad’ not the others.

Absolutely outstanding.

HV really isn't known for its big plot twists. It's about the characters. And we got that distilled to its essence: I didn't mind that there was no Ann or Daniel or Richard or Neil or Nev because it was Catherine and TLR and Ryan and Clare and that was the point.

Poppy's coat was a protective gesture to show her fear, I never expected a big revelation there.

Oh, and I rewound the end to pause on the text Catherine got from Mike Taylor to say TLR was dead. Above it he'd messaged her to ask when she was off to the Highlands. Not Himalayas (yet)! So I'm sure Ryan will be just fine.

The double declutch was when Catherine borrowed Alison’s old car, and had nothing to do with Catherine’s new one?

She's of the generation that doesn't need to be throwing casual 'Love you' around, they show it by actions, the modern constantly declaring 'love you' really diminishes the words.

I don't think the nasty teacher was abusing his own kids as someone suggested earlier, he was presumably into teenage boys, which is a different thing entirely.

Loved how slow this ep was compared to the frenzy of the chase for every previous moment of all three series.

That and the Very White Sock did it for me.

Better than the Brontes. JN and SL MUST get their BAFTAs.

@ladymacbeth “the chief congratulated her on getting Darius on her last day. How did she? All we know is TLR says Darius killed the guy in the cement but that's not going to get him out away?”

We know that TLR went into a coma and died, but we don’t know that he didn’t give a statement at some point - at least, said it out loud to others, given he was insistent it was said.

I think we’re allowed to assume that Darius’s brother Zjeliko being murdered by TLR (his blood all over him) and Dumb & Dumbee being arrested will be enough to make all the links that end up with Darius. The van he drove with have both his and TLR’s DNA, fallen hair for example.

The money in Dumb & Dumber’s will link back to the drugs, Pfizer will cough to their names cos he’s weak…

Beetroot Man’s house may be owned by Darius… even really “good” criminals make mistakes.

No guarantees, but I think it’s a fair assumption that plenty will link back to Darius and we’re allowed to decide ourselves if that means it’ll stick.

he was going to kill him all along.

Then why break him out? Not exactly hard to get someone killed in prison if you're a mafia boss!

That was superb!

I love how, when she asked what would happen to the two little girls, the detective replied, "They've got a Grandmother". Perfect!

And the way it moved forwards to put Ryan at the centre of everything was genius. It was a real triumph of love and compassion.

Highly satisfactory ending.

It would be nice if Catherine told Ryan she loves him, but he knows she does anyway.

How do we know Ryan wasn't in the landrover at the end?

Series 4 - Catherine and Ryan overland to Kathmandu.

Series 5 - Ryan joins the police and Granny is on hand for occasional sage advice.

Much too tidy for SW I fear!

I'm with @Testina I don't think he loved anyone, he wasn't capable of love. He'd rewritten the narrative while he was locked away and he just wanted to own Ryan at first, to have something of his own, which he'd never had before.
His dying words as it were, seemed to demonstrate pride and love for Ryan, but if he'd lived it would've twisted when Ryan didn't do what TLR wanted him to do.

Utterly underwhelming ending to one of the best shows ever.
Sarah Lancashire is phenomenal actor but overall I thought it was lazy & meh.

No, Saga doesn't do mates does she?

I loved it, and from reading the expectations of those who’ve said they didn’t rate it I’m just glad none of you are script writers because it was perfect.

@Redebs , yes, lovely when she was told that the motherless girls have a grandma, well, two.

When Tommy was in the narrow boat he threatened to burn himself and Ryan, but Catherine foamed him with a fire extinguisher.
I thought she was going to do the same again this time.

I’m not expert on sex offenders, but I believe it’s not uncommon for them to have an “age range”, albeit that could be wide. We know from Joanna’s parents that she met Rob when still at school - setting an age range, plus the abuse of a powerful position. I don’t think knocking pupils down to then build them up has to be the sexually abusive side of him - there was control as well as sex. I don’t think there’s any reason to expand that back to his own children and especially to that wide an age range.

All the coat shows, is a traumatised child in a deeply abusive household.

Because it would be easier to trace it back if he was killed inside?

Catherine saying TLR has a toddler brain is perfect. He reminded me of a toddler in the scene in the kitchen with Catherine, the immature nonsense he was churning out. Anything Catherine said about him, he responded with (in slightly more words) “No, you!”. You could see that he was struggling to even understand what Catherine was saying most of the time and keep up with the conversation.