Happy Valley Series 3 - BBC1 9pm started 1 January 2023 - no spoilers - tv pace – thread 2

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And once it is welcome to everyone. Looking forward to any number of theories and learning things one never wanted to know about like tiny phones.

I thought Clare made a comment about Ryan too ? I must have misheard , sorry !

Going on with my 'they've only moved Ann and Daniel into a remote farmhouse so there can be a siege/horrible incident there' theory: could Ryan move in with them temporarily? Catherine has kicked him out, Claire's place is too small and too noisy, Richard is having marital trouble with Roz, so do Ann and Daniel take pity on him? Daniel might want to make up for his earlier all-too-human resentment of Ryan and Ann might want to talk some sense into him. I'd guess TLR might be pretty livid if Ryan were to move in with Ann, especially if she drives a wedge between them by telling Ryan his father is a sadistic rapist.

I think Catherine's response to Ryan is very believable. She's been dealing with chronic stress since he was born. (Not to mention being in the Police for 25? years...) She's lost her daughter to suicide which is a grief like no other. She's been trying to bring up Ryan to be a decent human being whilst geing terrified that his dad's psychopathy is genetic. It was interesting how she focussed on that side of things when chatting with Ryan on the doorstep. TLR nearly killed her and Ryan so the trauma is massive. I think that chucking him out thing shows burnout. She's done all the things and he still lies to her and meets TLR. I can see how it would be unbearable to have Ryan in the house straight after that bombshell where he plus Claire (and Neil) have lied to her for over a year about something so massive to her. Sorry if I sound a bit OTT, clearly identifying with Catherine in a way! No it's not good for Ryan. But sometimes adults have to self protect?

Was it Bonne Maman Fig Preserve?

I would do worse than this to Mr Viper if he even moved my jar to a different shelf in the fridge.

I think he just has nice food for himself - steak, while they have sausages, that sort of thing.

Also maybe he doles out to his wife the quantities of food she can cook each day. I don't think we've seen him have a meal with Jo and the girls, have we?

Claire never said that.

Sorry, I thought Clare said something about Ryan at the cafe table

Agree with this. And I also think Catherine showed how much she cares for Ryan. She didn't chuck him onto the street, she took his stuff to somewhere where he was safe, warm and fed and Catherine knew he'd be looked after even if she herself was not happy with those people either.

Mobster or lobster! 🤣

And if Cesko is involved family wise with the Kenevics(?) then no wonder his mum was very abrupt in saying no to Ryan staying with them as would potentially bring Catherine to their door.

Oh good point

It's sad how grandad and uncle are to him

"I think he just has nice food for himself - steak, while they have sausages, that sort of thing".

No, I think that's too subtle for the average TV viewer. Him keeping things locked up is central to the story imo.

I am enjoying watching this so much but afaic, Sally Wainwright has skirted around some big character holes in the story (and character is plot for us ancients who remember our Thomas Hardy GCSE English exams) - i) Claire would not betray her sister to this extent, not really and ii) Catherine would not keep the truth from Ryan to this extent either. Not to the extent where she would rather kick him out at 16 years old rather than finally talk to him about the truth (or her truth anyway).

But we all have to suspend our disbelief a lot when watching TV drama. As I said, I am enjoying it hugely and am full of admiration for all involved. But the gushing is getting a bit much now.

It's not a patch on Better Call Saul if anyone who hasn't seen it wants an epic TV series to watch.

I prefer it to Better Call Saul (which I LOVED!) - possibly because it's Northern and I'm very partisan. 😄

But they both have strong women, good characterisation and excellent storylines.

Better Call Saul has the luxury of umpteen seasons each with about 14 episodes to develop character and fill plot holes. Happy Valley has only three heartbreakingly short seasons to do the same, so we have to suspend a bit of disbelief.

No, I think that's too subtle for the average TV viewer. Him keeping things locked up is central to the story imo.

I think you will be proved right about this bit though, @LindorDoubleChoc

Just re watched. Continuity error I think, Ann had blue gel nails when she was smoking in the garden and the next morning in CID, bare nails. Also the enormous cafetière of coffee in the garden table wasn't incidental. Has she started smoking again as she is stressed about possibly being pregnant and that is the lesser of the two evils than hitting the bottle to manage her stress?
Also, I don't think anyone else has mentioned the 30k discrepancy between the 70k middle man OCG guy said was being stashed there and the 40k the police found. Clearly Toyota driving scote OCG has nicked it which will not end well for him. He'll be in scarmonden reservoir in no time.
Fizel - his rage that made him flip and violently assault diazepam lady quickly subsided as he clearly didn't have it in him to finish the job with the rolling pin. He didn't set off to her house to kill her so just happening to have a syringe in his coat pocket is a bit clunky in my opinion.
I think Catherine not telling Ryan about Becky's suicide is in part that she will have to manage her own trauma in a new way and knows she will have to support Ryan in a whole new way that is unchartered territory and not fitting into how she thought she would manage it.

Cire
Faisal took the syringe of air to Jo's house in order to finish off Rob. He gave to her to hide so it would be in the house after she had drugged him. He was planning all this for the Saturday night and dump his body somewhere in his car ( I think ) hence going to look in the garage to see if he could pull the car up to it and then bundle him out that way.
He watched her putting the syringe in the drawer and that's how he knew where it was after he hit her and things went out of control.

Ah I must have missed that. That makes much more sense.

The one big flaw to Faisal's original cunning plan was that Jo would be able to drug Rob successfully and not to disturb the girls too!
She did try to say not to bother , but he seemed very fired up by it all , then he also discovered she had lied to him about telling Rob he was her dealer and laughed that he wouldn't be strong enough to get him into the car etc. He knew then that she was only using him to try to get away from Rob.
He just lost it :(
I wonder if Jo will survive this , but it doesn't look good either way.

Just re watched. Continuity error I think, Ann had blue gel nails when she was smoking in the garden and the next morning in CID, bare nails.
How is taking your nail varnish off in the evening a continuity error?

They looked like gels to me rather than normal nail varnish which are an absolute bugger for a non professional to take off (based on bitter experience!)

Looking at previous series, SW nicely bookends the stories.

So, do we think a thrown fridge/microwave will be crucial to the plot? Those windows are important.

Just managed to watch it as was at work Sunday and am on holiday with non Happyvalleyer dh. He nodded off so I put it on. Not that he'd complain but I want him to come into the fold and watch all of it eventually 😂

I could see Jo's demise coming. I thought he'd strangle her though.

I reckon Ryan will give evidence and others will come forward re: talking about his wife.

CC will be suspended because of footage.

Could Joyce have a connection to Faisal?

rosegoldwatcher I don’t think that Neil would be involved in anything criminal he seems a bit dim but easily pushed around

I think the teacher being wealthy means something to the story it’s been mentioned and we keep being given clues to how wealthy he is we know his car is sporty and he has a lovely house. In the first episode he said to Joanna that he didn’t need the police sniffing around with his work did he mean being a teacher or something else ? And of course he locks everything up

how they going to tie it all up in three episodes 😬

They looked like gels to me rather than normal nail varnish which are an absolute bugger for a non professional to take off (based on bitter experience!)
It only requires acetone, cotton wool, and a suitable scraping implement. Professional is easier but not compulsory.

Its very late so just wanted to say I am not being critical of Catherine, but think in many ways she is so lost inside all her burdens that she doesn't always recognise the signals she is making. And ploughs on determindly, its my way or the high way.

That's why she would be hard to live with.

Also at this rate we are going to need a 3 thread even before Sunday's broadcast!

Can you imagine if we had to write a mumsnet collective tv series. We would never agree on anything re plot, character.

Thank goodness for Sally Wainwright.

It sounded like it but she didn’t.

Claire said “I’m not going to fall out with you, Catherine”

Catherine said “Is it your choice?”

and it sounded as though Claire said “No, but he means more to me than you” but she actually said “Nobody means more to me than you”