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Killing Eve S4 - Discussion thread (with spoilers)

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NurseButtercup · 27/02/2022 10:15

The first episode will air on 28th February. I think this is the last season. I'm going to state up front this thread will contain spoilers.

My plan is to watch the last episode of season 3 to refresh my memory.

Please join in....

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JaneJeffer · 31/03/2022 19:14

@BakeOffRewatch

Oh I read “The Thursday Murder Club” and I imagined Fiona Shaw’s Carolyn as Elizabeth!
Me too Grin
BakeOffRewatch · 31/03/2022 19:22

[quote MissBattleaxe]@Mooserp yes it is a different writer each season. Phoebe Waller Bridge wrote the first one and is still an Exec producer. I also find the quirky visuals and music overdone and quite annoying now. It was brilliant when it started but it's been flogged to death now.

I don't know what is motivating any of the characters. No idea what Eve is up to, pretty sure Carolyn wants revenge, not sure what Konstantin wants, Villanelle doesn't seem to know what she wants apart from Eve. It's just irritating.[/quote]
This is my take on their motivations:

Eve is transforming/has transformed from observer to player. She’s working under the pretext of a private company that does odd jobs (like protecting an ambassador) to still work on her The 12 obsession. It’s taken her over.

Carolyn is a workaholic whose whole upbringing, youth and life has been defined by secret service/foreign office work and she can’t let a thing go. She’s meant to be on the bench I think.

Konstantin wants a peaceful life eating homemade sausages made by admirers, but other people have too much leverage on him (like Helene mentioning the money he stole from the 12) to allow that to remain so.

Villanelle wants redemption and unconditional love. She wants someone to look at her and see her as good and worthy of love (doesn’t matter if it’s deserved). She wants to learn whether she was born bad, if it’s inevitable, if it’s to her core. Carolyn turned that to being good at something is a form of not bad. Hence next episode is justice killing. Ultimately I think Villanelle just wants to know more about herself, her life, how much others influenced or trained her and how much is just her.

I binge watched it all last summer for the first time, so I wonder if I’ve just gone with it. I definitely sensed the huge shifts between each season but just thought oh ok this is what’s happening now and went with it. I can imagine if you’ve waited a whole year for a series that really invested in, the total change would be more difficult to stomach.

Tonkerbea · 01/04/2022 22:17

@the80sweregreat

The music is overbearing. All these types of dramas do it though. It is annoying .
Agree. The breathy, female vocal over eeeevrything to try and convince you you're watching something edgy and unique. Not falling for it!

And as if Eve would have kidnapped Helene's daughter without fear of reprisal. I don't believe anything the characters do anymore.

Like Pam though. They should sack the rest of it off and do a spin off with her, Konstantin and the fair guy.

MissBattleaxe · 02/04/2022 13:44

@BakeOffRewatch That actually makes sense. Thank you!

Arcadia · 02/04/2022 15:29

How did Eve get Hélenes daughter from Paris through passport control etc?! Presumably wouldn't have a travel document with her, and they would be questioned, or was it all within England?!

Wendyer · 02/04/2022 17:51

I’ve just finished watching all 4 series, and agree with pretty much everyone else, that season 4 isn’t nearly as good.

I quite like the edgy music but I’m bored of close ups of Eve and Villanelle that seem to last for ever.

I’m completely lost as to Eve’s motivation now and I don’t understand her feelings towards Villanelle.

I don’t like the character of Helene and I don’t understand what she does. I thought she was some sort of top level handler who no one really knew, but now she’s all over the place and Eve just goes and rings her doorbell! What happened to the place with all the medieval weapons and suits of armour where she and Villanelle met?

I don’t understand what’s happening with Carolyn either. She defected and now she’s defected from there too?

So much I don’t understand! I do think Villanelle, Konstantin, Carolyn and Pam are fab characters though.

Wendyer · 02/04/2022 17:53

Also wondering what’s happened to Irina - is she still in prison? And how did Cuba get into the storyline?

BakeOffRewatch · 03/04/2022 19:34

The Google episode recaps (there’s one for all 8 episodes in season 4, I’ve cropped the screenshot to only show the 5 that have aired in the UK though) say Eve is on a revenge mission against The 12. I definitely did not pickup on that. What’s she seeking vengeance for?

Killing Eve S4 - Discussion thread (with spoilers)
echt · 04/04/2022 00:50

@BakeOffRewatch

The Google episode recaps (there’s one for all 8 episodes in season 4, I’ve cropped the screenshot to only show the 5 that have aired in the UK though) say Eve is on a revenge mission against The 12. I definitely did not pickup on that. What’s she seeking vengeance for?
Possibly deaths of Bill Pargrave and Kenny and, a very long shot, the destruction of her marriage?

Au is on episode 7, but will keep my trap shut.

CarolynMartens · 04/04/2022 23:10

The last couple of episodes have picked up a little bit for me.

The thing about changing writers is that you can write a load of stuff without having to worry how you’re going to resolve it and the next person has to make sense of a plot they didn’t create. I think that’s partly why it makes little sense now.

I didn’t realise that was Kim Bodnia’s son! That’s nice. Did anyone watch The Bridge? In that KB’s character (can’t remember his name) had a son called August who was iirc buried alive. It was brutal Sad

BakeOffRewatch · 06/04/2022 08:57

Episode 6 was a bit on the nose with exposition on their motivations! I was laughing as it felt like they created scenes in direct response to questions on this thread. Eve even outright says “Remind me why I'm doing this again.”. Loved Konstantin’s response, just “It snowballed”.

SPOILER

Wow, so that’s 2 story driving big characters dead, what’s left? Annoys me when they do that makes chasing Helene/Lars feel like a dead end or waste of episodes. I don’t understand Eve, why did she have to kill Lars, she wanted answers and his superior too didn’t she, thought she was all about getting to the heart of it? I feel so sorry for Chloe without her mama anymore.

Maybe it’s the whole Jacques and Carolyn’s dad being in love we will go back to?

Tallpaulwho · 06/04/2022 09:28

I'm really struggling with series, the writing seems awful.

The score is the worst thing though, it's really overly loud and jarring. I have resorted to turning the sound right down and putting subtitles on to avoid it.

It's one of those shows where I wonder who actually sat in post-production and watched it back. It's such a mess!

I'm watching it purely to get to the end now and for the great leading cast.

PeskyRooks · 06/04/2022 09:52

I think it's picking up a bit now.
Like the Pam storyline (but don't understand why there was loads of clothes at the circus/fair?)
Don't know why Eve killed Lars- annoying because Carolyn was going to find out who killed Kenny (south park anyone??)
Breathy too-cool-for-school music is really getting on my nerves!!
Now we've got another new character on the island carrying a goat it's getting overcrowded!
Don't understand who Eve works for?? And how does she stay so immaculate looking?

MissMarpleRocks · 06/04/2022 10:13

I didn’t understand why Eve did either! Is it 2 more episodes I think?

BakeOffRewatch · 06/04/2022 10:48

I loved seeing Helene relaxing. Ferrero Rocher and farts. Killer combo.

Mooserp · 06/04/2022 10:59

Argh! I was hoping you could all tell me why Eve killed Lars!!

BakeOffRewatch · 06/04/2022 13:28

@Mooserp there’s a comment here on the Reddit discussion thread saying Eve was on a high from Hélène’s killing and obscured by emotion. www.reddit.com/r/KillingEve/comments/tpdrln/comment/i2b3e4d

Warning there’s a lot of people turned on by Hélène’s death scene over there - though I agree there was a lot of sexual tension between Eve and Villanelle in that scene.

CarolynMartens · 06/04/2022 15:03

Yes it did seem like she got carried away.

MrsK · 11/04/2022 10:05

Well that was very disappointing to say the least

BadHairDayExpert · 11/04/2022 15:17

Can we discuss yet?
as all episodes are on iplayer and it has been shown in the States already.
spoilers ahead spoilers ahead spoilers ahead spoilers ahead
Loyal to herself only, needing to be back onside with mi6, I get...but surely the knowledge that V was hell-bent on killing the 12 and Carolyn did not stop it, would be proof of her new found allegiance to UK rather than Russia? Why did she put a hit out on her? (presumably the job Pam said no to).
Who was funding Carolyn by this point?
What was in the letter from Konstantin?
Eve said Carolyn always knew who killed her son - we were told he had fallen, stepping away from Konstantin's warning but not a hit.
How did Villanelle single-handedly kill all 12?
Why did they veer away from Luke Jennings' happy ending?
Even accepting a four series arc with 4 different writers makes continuity hard, none of the motivations make sense at all.
Eve accepts her own dark side and her feelings for Villanelle and can compartmentalise the latter's involvement with Bill and Niko by blaming the bad bosses rather than V herself.
Carolyn infiltrated the 12 when younger, was on their case, double agent then put a hit on V, even though the latter had done her own job for her by killing the 12, if one of them had indeed asked Konstantin to warn Kenny.
Why was Helene also trying to kill all 12, and if , like a hydra, new heads are put in then how many of the original 12 were on the boat and how many were newbies?
What did Konstantin do to end up a handler rather than a main man, unless it was Johan/Lars's doing and what was Carolina, was she retired?
All the causing instability/chaos as a reason for sending out Villanelle, Gunn etc how does that actually work in practical terms i.e how does destabilising bring wealth (I am thick as far as economics and politics go).
Main gripes
Who did kill Kenny?
Was Konstantin his Dad?
What was Carolyn's endgame?
Why were the 12 so easily taken out?

If all the above was answered, please explain. Thank you Flowers

BadHairDayExpert · 11/04/2022 15:29

www.tvinsider.com/1039953/killing-eve-series-finale-villanelle-dead-eve-alive-carolyn-mi6-fiona-shaw/#:~:text=Villanelle%2C%20presumably%20dead%20after%20the,empty%2Dhanded%2C%20walked%20away.

spoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoilerspoiler
Okay so Fiona Shaw states that Konstantin killed Kenny.

If Carolyn had her closure then, maybe knew it all along but had the letter confirm it, and knew Pam had already killed Konstantin then why the need to go to the pub to see the other 12 (11 if they still expected Helene to show?) Who gave Konstantin the order? If Lars had a name, who was above him?

BadHairDayExpert · 11/04/2022 15:45

tvline.com/2022/04/10/killing-eve-recap-series-finale-villanelle-dies-ending-explained/
interview with the writer

BadHairDayExpert · 11/04/2022 15:55

I did not need a neat bow as such, just some linear narrative