Loki (Disney+ starting June 11): MCU fans assemble!

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Loki starts on Disney+ on June 11!

I know it’s a way away but I thought I’d start a thread for pre-amble pondering discussion seeing as Falcon and the Winter Soldier is over now and we no longer have a weekly MCU fix for a while!

Sometimes I’m wary of trailers, I don’t like to know too many details in advance, but this is good, it doesn’t spoil anything just nicely teases the theme and tone, and looks to be some good chemistry between Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson.

I really like how WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier and now Loki are all so different in feel.

Oh and if you’re not a MCU addict want to catch up with the story so far, then this article lists which movies to watch beforehand (nine of them!!!) but really, you could just watch two - the first Thor and Avengers movies, and then jump to Loki from there and you’d be in the same place as our protagonist. It’d be really interesting to hear that perspective actually!

We're definitely going to need a meaner Kang.

He had that air of a man who had had enough. Seen enough. (Almost) eternal life and ultimate power are actually a bit shit, hard work and lonely. Didn't seem evil at all.

I could see his reasoning clearly. Chaos is destructive. Better to have one semi functional timeline than none.

More mind waffle from me -
he created the one true timeline from HIS reality stream/timeline to keep his version of events going to a specific point. Pruning any branches that might detract from his purpose but all the Loki's were from alternative universes so he must've pruned multiple universes using the same, original TVA, otherwise sylvie and loki would never meet.
All universes/realities leading to that one place with he who remains.

Therefore other variants from the original TVA could have come from any reality, so whilst we see Renslayer as a teacher, that doesn't mean that one becomes our one.

As much as I get that time isn't linear and she changed events from throughout time by killing this kang and allowing the multiple universes to run riot (he did say the timeline was already branching because of them),
she pushed Loki back through BEFORE she killed Kang so why would he not go back to our TVA? Until she killed him, the other kangs wouldn't have been around to create alternative realities (assuming he killed/pruned them all at various points in time)

Also, if he already knew all the events that would lead them to him, surely he could've easily stopped them at any point in time? Killed them earlier?
Goes back to the Loki paradox again. They are both the beginning and the end.

My logical brain hates time crap!!

To me, the only acceptable/logical outcome would be our Loki having to kill Sylvie because she is beyond redemption and to save everyone/everything else. The ultimate sacrifice. Then becoming king of the timeline to replace Kang and keep order.

To get everything from all the new films/series to reach a logical conclusion is going to be hard work! The lines are definitely blurred between good and evil.

We're definitely going to need a meaner Kang. He had that air of a man who had had enough. Seen enough.

Agree with this completely.

What i do think is very clever is how they cast a woman with such similar facial features to TH (eye shape, cheekbones, nose shape, shape of the chin, all really similar) and how they've managed to get their movements and body language to mirror each other so closely.

Not convinced that Loki is really redeemed, tbh. He might think he has feelings for Sylvie (boke) but he was vulnerable, she was competent, strong, and frankly partnership with her instead of competition has benefited him at every turn. Just like when he was being best buddies with the Grandmaster. If they had ruled together I reckon he'd still have stabbed her in the back when the arrangement stopped suiting him. NotKang was right, he's still a villain.

So before Sylvie killed HWR, was there only one timeline? Surely though the new timeline branches only start from this point, or are there loads of people time travelling and creating branches from before now? Or is it that there was no such concept of 'now' in the Void, and for HWR all times were Now, like Dr Manhattan in Watchmen, so his death impacted all timelines at once? Actually I'm leaning towards my own last answer.

Such a good show, I'd recommend it!

I’m feeling more favourable towards the finale this afternoon. I think I just resented the Kang of it all overshadowing the focus on Loki. I’ve accepted it now! The nerd internet is incredibly excited about it and it seems it was better received in general that some of us felt!

Does it make a difference knowing about the comics/characters?
The nerd net always seems split between the 'yay that's amazing' and 'uurrgghh, they ruined my fav hero/villain'

My only frame of reference is the films and other series so I have no expectations in that sense.

I thoroughly enjoyed Wandavision, FATWS was just ok and I've found loki quite underwhelming tbh, and I don't buy into him having a sudden personality change.

I hope season 2 does more with Mobius and the other lokis.

I thoroughly enjoyed Wandavision, FATWS was just ok and I've found loki quite underwhelming tbh, and I don't buy into him having a sudden personality change.

Its like it wrote it myself and I don't do the comics either, though DD and I have started reading Ms Marvel and the Miles Morales comics together.

I think for me Loki was always just background noise and occasional comic relief in the films, so I find it odd him being the lead character and being serious.

Same with Falcon. He was a secondary character without the big personality.

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I think for me Loki was always just background noise and occasional comic relief in the films, so I find it odd him being the lead character and being serious.

Same with Falcon. He was a secondary character without the big personality.

His actions drove quite a lot of what happened though when you think about it though. He had relatively little screentime he played quite a key role in how events played out.

So before Sylvie killed HWR, was there only one timeline?

No, it started branching before HWR death - you can see it happening, once it passes the point where he knew what was going to happen.

Was it uncertainty about whether he was about to die or not that lead to him not being able to see beyond that point? Did he really, essentially, roll a dice to decide the fate of the universe?

Shang-Chi discussion if anyone is interested?!?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/films/4340087-Shang-Chi-and-the-Legend-of-the-Ten-Rings?watched=1