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*NEW* 24 hrs in police custody 22nd march

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whatsthestory123 · 22/03/2021 21:15

well what a little sod this one is that poor older lady,they have no concience

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Laggartha · 14/04/2021 11:35

Totally different but I've heard victims of child sexual assault also go onto abuse.

This myth infuriates me. Can you not see how offensive it is?

nickymanchester · 14/04/2021 11:39

I think they system is confusing.

The difference is very much as you said:-

Justice intended to kill

In order to be convicted of manslaughter the prosecution needs to show that the defendant did something illegal and also intended to cause the victim at least some harm.

In this case, according to the link above, the victim withdrew his complaint and said that he fell down while drunk and not because she knocked him down.

If she had knocked him down then there is a good chance that she would have been found guilty of manslaughter.

As it is, she was convicted of ABH. She was sentenced to 16 months and I would guess that she probably pleaded guilty.

When a person pleads guilty at an early stage they get a one third reduction in their sentence. So the judge would have given her two years which after the one third reduction leaves just 16 months.

When it comes to ABH that is very near the top of the sentencing guidelines which go from a community order up to a starting point of 18 months. The maximum sentence is 3 years.

The starting point for the highest category which involves greater harm (serious injury must normally be present) and higher culpability is 18 months.

So the judge appears to have gone further than this and given her 2 years but then is required to deduct one third for an early plea.

Cocolapew · 14/04/2021 12:32

The extent of his injuries were shocking, especially if she hit him with only her fists, she wasn't exactly big or strong looking.

sweatervest · 14/04/2021 13:19

a thing i read on the bbc said that she was sentenced in september last year. so she'd be due to be released at the end of april (it said)

just the saddest. i suppose paul's family said it was okay for channel 4 to show the programme? awful. poor man.

SheldonesqueHasGotTheWeevils · 14/04/2021 13:21

The extent of his injuries were shocking, especially if she hit him with only her fists, she wasn't exactly big or strong looking.

Which begs the question, how long did she beat him for that day? Sad

purpleme12 · 14/04/2021 13:42

This is just so incredibly sad

Wingedharpy · 14/04/2021 13:51

The Bedfordshire article says that he was getting better after his hospital admission, to the extent that they were preparing him for discharge.

He then had, what appears to be, a secondary brain bleed which ultimately led to his death.

The article also states that Paul was an alcoholic.

Alcoholics, at some point, will have a tendency to bleed more easily that an average healthy person because the nature of their addiction messes up the body's normal protective clotting mechanism.

Paul also stated that he had fallen and his injuries were sustained as a result of the fall.

Taking all that into account, the judge, who was a woman in this case not some old bloke ready for retirement as assumed by a poster up thread, had little option but to rule as she did.

GoldRhino · 14/04/2021 15:12

‘Totally different but I've heard victims of child sexual assault also go onto abuse.’

What an utterly ignorant and offensive statement.

I’m a victim ofchild abuse and I would never DREAM of abusing another person. You would find a huge amount of us wouldnt.

billysboy · 14/04/2021 17:25

I get the Judge deducting some time for the early plea but why no account of all the no comments at interview !

I just dont get how this never seems to be taken into account

Dailyhandtowelwash · 14/04/2021 18:03

I was really nervous watching it when the CPS gave the go-ahead to charge for GBH with intent as proving intent when you've punched someone in a drunken fight would always have been really hard. But it would have been good to see her convicted for GBH rather than ABH.

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:39

@Laggartha

Totally different but I've heard victims of child sexual assault also go onto abuse.

This myth infuriates me. Can you not see how offensive it is?

It's just something I've heard is that not correct?
RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:41

Sorry I should have said some. I've no idea where I heard that.

Hellocatshome · 14/04/2021 18:42

@RevolvingPivot of course its not correct! If you had said SOME victims of child abuse MAY go on to abuse you might have got away with it but to say victims of child sexual assault also go onto abuse is incorrect and offensive. I was a child buse victim I have never abused anyone.

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:43

Sorry report my comment. It didn't come out the way I meant it to. I can understand your upset.

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:43

[quote Hellocatshome]@RevolvingPivot of course its not correct! If you had said SOME victims of child abuse MAY go on to abuse you might have got away with it but to say victims of child sexual assault also go onto abuse is incorrect and offensive. I was a child buse victim I have never abused anyone.[/quote]
Yes I'm sorry

Laggartha · 14/04/2021 18:44

@RevolvingPivot

I appreciate you responding and staying with the conversation. With respect, the research is out there. I feel that the onus is on you to educate yourself with reference to the literature, rather than for me to respond to "something you heard somewhere".

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:49

@Laggartha sorry I can't explain how I meant for it to come across.

Laggartha · 14/04/2021 18:51

sorry I can't explain how I meant for it to come across.

You don't need to, and in the nicest way, I don't want to know. You asked, "It's just something I've heard is that not correct?" and I'm saying I think it's on you to check, not on me to educate you.

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 18:52

@Laggartha ok

Mydogisagentleman · 14/04/2021 20:23

Getting back to the programme, I’ve just finished watching it.
What an absolute tragedy for him and a farce of a sentence

supercee · 14/04/2021 21:51

@Laggartha @Hellocatshome oh calm the fuck down and come down from the giddy heights of your high horse.

Just because @RevolvingPivot didn't state SOME I didn't take it to mean she literally thinks EVERY person who has suffered abuse goes on to abuse. Yes SOME do. Did it need to be explicitly spelt out? Even after she said she didn't mean it to come out that way and offering an apology, the comments after, geez 🙄.

Hellocatshome · 14/04/2021 21:53

@supercee my one and only post about the issue crossed with her post saying she had meant to say some. It changes the whole meaning of what she said so actually I think she did need to be called up on it because if she actually ment what she wrote then it is a worrying view to have.

supercee · 14/04/2021 21:57

The statement 'victims of sexual abuse go on to abuse', is in itself, true. They do. Not all do, some do. I didn't think that needed to be explicitly pointed out.

RevolvingPivot · 14/04/2021 23:57

[quote Hellocatshome]@supercee my one and only post about the issue crossed with her post saying she had meant to say some. It changes the whole meaning of what she said so actually I think she did need to be called up on it because if she actually ment what she wrote then it is a worrying view to have.[/quote]
Again I'm sorry. It's no excuse but I'm autistic and I guess I just assume people will understand me. It's difficult when the people you're speaking to don't know you. I'll try to think a bit more but I'm 36 I'm not sure I'll ever manage it.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 15/04/2021 00:01

Interesting how everyone seems to presume the Judge was a man....When it was a woman.