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Harvey and Me

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2021namechanger · 25/01/2021 21:43

Yes it should probably be in telly addicts - but Aibu to think Katie Price has really done a great thing in doing this documentary.

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RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:19

@bitheby

I know nothing of Katie's living arrangements or Instagram exploits but as an autistic person myself, I thought she dealt with Harvey's behaviour in an exemplary way. I don't think anyone who spent their life 'palming him off', would be able to de-escalate so skilfully.
I agree, particularly someone not qualified in that field. I think for someone relatively uneducated, if you will, she does very well.

I think she is a bloody good parent, but because of her status people will just look to pick fault.

Thefeep · 26/01/2021 01:20

@CallmeAngelina - the local authority where he lives with his mum. My local authority pay my son’s fees but he goes to college on another county.

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 01:21

OK this seems to be in response to me
Check out her Instagram. It's very easy to see. Long hair, short hair, blonde, brunette, red nails, yellow nails, glittery plaster casts, air boots - all jumbled up and out of sequence
And the snow day I referenced above, from yesterday

WTAF has whether she's got fancy nails or short hair, blonde hair, glittery nails got to do with anything?! Confused Grin
That has to do with looking after him how? Unless you're saying people with fancy nails and a groomed haircut care more?
If so I'm doomed lol as I haven;t had my hair cut for approx 3 years and never do my nails Grin

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:23

@Quaagars

OK this seems to be in response to me Check out her Instagram. It's very easy to see. Long hair, short hair, blonde, brunette, red nails, yellow nails, glittery plaster casts, air boots - all jumbled up and out of sequence And the snow day I referenced above, from yesterday

WTAF has whether she's got fancy nails or short hair, blonde hair, glittery nails got to do with anything?! Confused Grin
That has to do with looking after him how? Unless you're saying people with fancy nails and a groomed haircut care more?
If so I'm doomed lol as I haven;t had my hair cut for approx 3 years and never do my nails Grin

Hey Quaags, old buddy , old pal (it's Kimchi).

I think PP is trying to say KP is posting old pictures to make it look like she's with her kids when she isn't.

Maybe that's the case. But I don't think that's in any way relevant to Harvey's care.

Grenlei · 26/01/2021 01:26

There's plenty of evidence on her social media of her leaving him with the hair/ make up person, and others.

Her mum hasn't cared for him for several years. Obviously for the last couple of years he's been away at school and only home for weekends, pre Covid of course.

CallmeAngelina · 26/01/2021 01:27

But, @Thefeep, this is what I don't understand. Until very recently, she was based in Surrey, but seemed also to live in Essex at the same time. I think he would have begun his current placement at residential when she was still living in her Sussex house, so perhaps Sussex is funding that??
I'm just curious to know if the responsibility shifts when the parent moves? But then, if Katie is based in two different counties, it will surely make the application even more complicated?
But I'm sure she will have thought of that - she's not stupid, or at least, not where Harvey is concerned. You may have gathered, I'm not her number one fan but I really do admire her for her care and devotion to him.

BeforeThisThenWhat · 26/01/2021 01:27

Grenlei. You do realise that Harvey currently goes to a residential school!!! Isn’t it obvious to you that Harvey couldn’t be left with random strangers. Suggesting that Katie Price would do that is really nasty. You can criticize her for other things but you are being really vicious to say the things you are saying.

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 01:28

She certainly seems to go on quite a few, even if she claims they're "work," Would many people go away for a fortnight just days after their severely disabled child was discharged from hospital after a reportedly life-threatening illness? Erm, I'd have to say no

Again, do you know her personally?

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:30

@Grenlei

There's plenty of evidence on her social media of her leaving him with the hair/ make up person, and others.

Her mum hasn't cared for him for several years. Obviously for the last couple of years he's been away at school and only home for weekends, pre Covid of course.

"away at school"

KP did numerous interviews about having to put him into respite. Whatever nonsense you read, the woman has cared for him all her life.

I do not believe for one second she leaves him with the hair and make up person. Sorry, I don't.

This does sound very personal on your part Grenlei.

CallmeAngelina · 26/01/2021 01:30

FFS, she filmed herself on her Youtube channel talking about it! Said how sad it was that he couldn't come because he'd only just come out of hospital and the doctors said no, but she was going anyway and she'd take him away later in the year to make up for it.

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 01:31

There's plenty of evidence on her social media of her leaving him with the hair/ make up person, and others

Well, if it's on socia[ media then it must be true!! Hmm
The full story is always told, full disclaimers in case anyone misintepretes.
Or something

Thefeep · 26/01/2021 01:34

@CallmeAngelina - yes it does get complicated. Moving local authorities when your child has an EHCP is risky as the new local authority have to agree to maintain it. We have never moved out of our area for that reason. Whoever is responsible for finding the provision in his current EHCP and current school placement will (at the moment) be responsible for the college fees. Big she moves again, before it’s all settled it will be a nightmare I imagine!

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 01:34

Whatever nonsense you read, the woman has cared for him all her life

This - not a fan, seems attention seeking herself but I know what it is to have kids - she seems to have always done her best for him and a great mum.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:36

@CallmeAngelina

FFS, she filmed herself on her Youtube channel talking about it! Said how sad it was that he couldn't come because he'd only just come out of hospital and the doctors said no, but she was going anyway and she'd take him away later in the year to make up for it.
What happened to not being her no1 fan but admitting her care and devotion to him?
RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:37

@Quaagars

There's plenty of evidence on her social media of her leaving him with the hair/ make up person, and others

Well, if it's on socia[ media then it must be true!! Hmm
The full story is always told, full disclaimers in case anyone misintepretes.
Or something

Quite,

"I'm leaving Harvey with my hairdresser".

Aye that'll be right.

CallmeAngelina · 26/01/2021 01:42

"What happened to not being her no1 fan but admitting her care and devotion to him?"
I think in the main, yes, she is devoted. But I just don't understand that at all. She justified it as saying the younger kids were excited and she didn't want to let them down. Maybe, although it's not as though they don't get lots of holidays already.
But then it transpired that the real reason they were going to Turkey was to get their teeth done, and there were subsequent advertising things going on.
So, I suppose that's why. Hopefully, Harvey won't have been aware.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 01:53

@CallmeAngelina

"What happened to not being her no1 fan but admitting her care and devotion to him?" I think in the main, yes, she is devoted. But I just don't understand that at all. She justified it as saying the younger kids were excited and she didn't want to let them down. Maybe, although it's not as though they don't get lots of holidays already. But then it transpired that the real reason they were going to Turkey was to get their teeth done, and there were subsequent advertising things going on. So, I suppose that's why. Hopefully, Harvey won't have been aware.
I just think she needs a break when it comes to Harvey.

He is 247, full on.

She is making her decisions for her family and it is not on us to judge with limited info.

Grenlei · 26/01/2021 02:01

I've not said anything vicious.

However if you do want to see unpleasant comments, Katie posts plenty of unwarranted abuse to people on her own social media when anyone in any way disagrees with her or questions her actions. Calling other women whores, cunts, telling them to keep their legs shit because they stink of fish...yes she's a great role model.

And again in terms of her care of Harvey - those of you who think she's doing a great job with him, how do you square that with her allowing him to be shown regularly in her social media when he is unable to give consent to this? Especially when he is sometimes shown partly clothed, dishevelled, distressed etc. Can that be in his interest at all? He can't benefit from that.

Hampotsandonions · 26/01/2021 02:08

Although I understand concerns that pps have about filming Harvey and other DC without them being able to consent to it, if that was sought every single time then you wouldn't ever see children or adults with intellectual disabilities on TV. And that in turn then becomes problematic because the issue evolves in to "out of sight, out of mind" or just plain ignorance. And ignorance can lead to all sorts of poor behaviour from the general public towards disabled people as was demonstrated in a recent documentary. It also allows issues like poor statutory provision to be kicked in to the long grass by successive governments. I do think therefore KP has done a good thing making this film and raising awareness.

I think some of the previous comments about KP being a poor mother are pretty low tbh. I wonder how any of us would cope given the same challenges? I think most of us would need frequent breaks in that situation. And she is presumably trying to work and keep a media presence going which could explain frequent absences. Also, KP has to think about the safety of her other DC so I don't think we should be judging her about "palming him off" to others. She's probably done what's best best for him and the whole family in very difficult circumstances, just like many other parents.

KP and Harvey seemed extremely close on the film, and I thought she handled his behaviour very skilfully. I don't think you can fake that on camera as it comes from endless hours of spending time together.

The most important thing that emerges from that documentary is not anything about KP herself, but the issue of DC with autism being placed in unsuitable care and finding themselves sectioned and sedated without any basic rights, not even being fed properly. Why is this being allowed to happen? It's a national scandal. You can say "ah well funding" but the treasury found money when it had to when Covid came along. (It even found money to temporarily house the homeless when before that had been impossible too.) As usual, it's parents themselves, usually mothers, who are left to struggle along alone. There was an awful case today in the papers about a mother killing her severely autistic child owing to a combination of not being able to cope and developing severe mh problems. KP should be applauded for highlighting the problem of poor state provision.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 02:10

@Grenlei

I've not said anything vicious.

However if you do want to see unpleasant comments, Katie posts plenty of unwarranted abuse to people on her own social media when anyone in any way disagrees with her or questions her actions. Calling other women whores, cunts, telling them to keep their legs shit because they stink of fish...yes she's a great role model.

And again in terms of her care of Harvey - those of you who think she's doing a great job with him, how do you square that with her allowing him to be shown regularly in her social media when he is unable to give consent to this? Especially when he is sometimes shown partly clothed, dishevelled, distressed etc. Can that be in his interest at all? He can't benefit from that.

I stand by my previous posts.

Nasty and personal. On all counts.

RootyT00t · 26/01/2021 02:12

@Hampotsandonions

Although I understand concerns that pps have about filming Harvey and other DC without them being able to consent to it, if that was sought every single time then you wouldn't ever see children or adults with intellectual disabilities on TV. And that in turn then becomes problematic because the issue evolves in to "out of sight, out of mind" or just plain ignorance. And ignorance can lead to all sorts of poor behaviour from the general public towards disabled people as was demonstrated in a recent documentary. It also allows issues like poor statutory provision to be kicked in to the long grass by successive governments. I do think therefore KP has done a good thing making this film and raising awareness.

I think some of the previous comments about KP being a poor mother are pretty low tbh. I wonder how any of us would cope given the same challenges? I think most of us would need frequent breaks in that situation. And she is presumably trying to work and keep a media presence going which could explain frequent absences. Also, KP has to think about the safety of her other DC so I don't think we should be judging her about "palming him off" to others. She's probably done what's best best for him and the whole family in very difficult circumstances, just like many other parents.

KP and Harvey seemed extremely close on the film, and I thought she handled his behaviour very skilfully. I don't think you can fake that on camera as it comes from endless hours of spending time together.

The most important thing that emerges from that documentary is not anything about KP herself, but the issue of DC with autism being placed in unsuitable care and finding themselves sectioned and sedated without any basic rights, not even being fed properly. Why is this being allowed to happen? It's a national scandal. You can say "ah well funding" but the treasury found money when it had to when Covid came along. (It even found money to temporarily house the homeless when before that had been impossible too.) As usual, it's parents themselves, usually mothers, who are left to struggle along alone. There was an awful case today in the papers about a mother killing her severely autistic child owing to a combination of not being able to cope and developing severe mh problems. KP should be applauded for highlighting the problem of poor state provision.

👏👏👏👏 I agree on all fronts

grenlei doesn't have concerns. It's just another stick to beat KP with, using her disabled child for views.

Because the many, many celebrities who have mum type documentaries are?

Quaagars · 26/01/2021 02:16

What has her talking about fish or whatever got to do with Harvey?
Maybe she does, what has that got to do with her caring for her children though

Worried234 · 26/01/2021 02:22

A 'bloody good parent' she is NOT.

OHolyTights · 26/01/2021 02:23

@Hampotsandonions

Although I understand concerns that pps have about filming Harvey and other DC without them being able to consent to it, if that was sought every single time then you wouldn't ever see children or adults with intellectual disabilities on TV. And that in turn then becomes problematic because the issue evolves in to "out of sight, out of mind" or just plain ignorance. And ignorance can lead to all sorts of poor behaviour from the general public towards disabled people as was demonstrated in a recent documentary. It also allows issues like poor statutory provision to be kicked in to the long grass by successive governments. I do think therefore KP has done a good thing making this film and raising awareness.

I think some of the previous comments about KP being a poor mother are pretty low tbh. I wonder how any of us would cope given the same challenges? I think most of us would need frequent breaks in that situation. And she is presumably trying to work and keep a media presence going which could explain frequent absences. Also, KP has to think about the safety of her other DC so I don't think we should be judging her about "palming him off" to others. She's probably done what's best best for him and the whole family in very difficult circumstances, just like many other parents.

KP and Harvey seemed extremely close on the film, and I thought she handled his behaviour very skilfully. I don't think you can fake that on camera as it comes from endless hours of spending time together.

The most important thing that emerges from that documentary is not anything about KP herself, but the issue of DC with autism being placed in unsuitable care and finding themselves sectioned and sedated without any basic rights, not even being fed properly. Why is this being allowed to happen? It's a national scandal. You can say "ah well funding" but the treasury found money when it had to when Covid came along. (It even found money to temporarily house the homeless when before that had been impossible too.) As usual, it's parents themselves, usually mothers, who are left to struggle along alone. There was an awful case today in the papers about a mother killing her severely autistic child owing to a combination of not being able to cope and developing severe mh problems. KP should be applauded for highlighting the problem of poor state provision.

Excellent post.

Well done to the BBC, Katie, Harvey and all involved on an illuminating, sensitive and very human documentary - severe disability on at prime time too!

Haters gonna hate.

Grenlei · 26/01/2021 02:23

It shows she's not much of a role model or example to anyone. It's also an illustration of what being nasty is, as against my own comments.

I don't agree any child should be regularly shown on social media and abhor the various people on social media who do this. There is a difference between making a documentary which can be sensitively and professionally filmed, and shine a light on issues around disability and funding, and sharing the minutiae of your lives (and that of your disabled child who will never be able to give informed consent to the use of their image) on social media.