claire verity part 2

[Lorayn]

Too many bloody posts on the other one, I cant post!!!

No, nothing to do with big families at all....by the 1920s and 30s, when TK was writing, family size was small
see here and the large Victorian family was no longer typical.

In additon, mothers who followed 'a method' from a book were overwhelmingly middle class, and likely to have fewer children, and possibly be very concerned that they did the 'right thing' by the few children they had - and the TK method was promoted as the right thing. TK was hugely in favour of bf.....to the point of making a massive big thing of it, for the sake of infant health and survival. This does not feature in CV's method.

But the point about the mother crying and gettingthe minimal comfort of a patted arm is a good one - poor baby didn't get even that.

as someone else (hunker?) pointed out there's obviously a point at which the baby goes from being an irritation to be ignored to becoming a human in its own right with emotional needs
horrible

Ah Tiktok! I'm glad someone else has mentioned TK's stance on breastfeeding - I posted on one of the other threads about it here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/2000/395187?stamp=070928004737
I'm still convinced CV is a watsonian
lisa X

I have just read this on the OFCOM website about Broadcasting Code....

The involvement of people under eighteen in programmes
1.26 Due care must be taken over the physical and emotional welfare and the dignity of people under eighteen who take part or are otherwise involved in programmes. This is irrespective of any consent given by the participant or by a parent, guardian or other person over the age of eighteen in loco parentis.

1.27 People under eighteen must not be caused unnecessary distress or anxiety by their involvement in programmes or by the broadcast of those programmes.

Sounds like 'Bringing up Baby' has broken the code.

I'm reading more about complaining but have already complained to Number 10, Channel 4 and Huggies.

It makes me soooo sad

Sorry to lower the tone but have you seen this re Cv Sorry if this has been posted here already.

Will read thread now (having discussed the the various methods with my mum which she thinks are assigned to the wrong decades!)

Has anyone else had a response from Huggies. Here is the response I have received.

Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding HUGGIES® nappies sponsorship of the "Bringing Up Baby" programme on Channel 4® television network.

We are aware that many people are concerned about various aspects of television programming and appreciate your taking the time to express your views to us. However, by law, as a sponsor of the show we cannot have any influence on the content of the programme. If you have not already done so, you may wish to present your views directly to the Channel 4 network.

Comments such as yours help us understand how people feel about our advertising and the programmes during which we advertise. Please be assured that your opinion is important to us, and we will share your remarks with our marketing team.

We value you as our customer and appreciate your interest in our products.

Yours sincerely,

Maritza Parrini
Consumer Services Department
Kimberly-Clark Europe

I was very annoyed that Channel 4 sent me the same response as previous posters so have complained again...

I got exactly the same response lorisparkle (except from a different person).

Mmmm thought it was properly a standard response

Egypt, you can download it from uknova.com. I think they can only have a set number of members at any given time, so you might have to try several times over a week or so to get an account if you've not already got one.

I believe it is completely legal to do so - I think you can only upload/download stuff that is never going to be sold as a DVD (so this is ok, Spooks would not be).

I am completely and utterly horrified that many people have complained and yet Channel 4 are ignoring us. Yes, something definately needs to be done. The more think about last weeks programme the sadder I get.

It's a terrible reflection on society if child neglect is seen as being okay.

this clashes with football and for once i am at my 'no tv in the bedroom stance'- if i record it, i won't be able to avoid the comments on here before i watch it..

is it on e4 +1 or whatever it is callled (channel four have too many channels for a me to keep track of....)

something i will be interested to see is if the regime the cv parents are putting on their baby (and subsequent stress), affects their relation ship with their older daughter. ...will they become 'detached' from her in the same way, or lavish more affection on her, because they are not 'allowed' to show any to their newborn?

I'm guessing Huggies must be deluged with complaints as they didn't even have the decency to send out the stock response to me.

They might not be able to directly influence the content of programmes but, iirc, when the Big Brother bullying blew up, it was only after Carphone Warehouse pulled sponsorship that Channel 4 stopped defending the situation and started apologising and doing something about it...

I have watched Bringing up Baby today...I assume it was teh 2. part of it...so, no idea what was shown last week!
Must say, CV would have been thrown out of my house....what a horrific approach to a Parenthood and Baby's....I found her families really disturbing to watch...and found her opinions even mroe disturbing...and whilst I didn't quite get why teh mums were so upset about having the Baby standing outside (per se), because of fresh air being healthy and good....erm...I would personally want my child to be NOT crying at the time
4 Hoursely feeding...what a complete tosh, and as for her saying that ehr routine would work with bf....well...somehow I doubt it....not wiht to many Baby's I would say.

The Spock lady seemed o.k.(although they did show a clip of next weeks programme and wasn't happy about her opinion on public bf) and the CC one seemed really good...and I owuld think teh "perfect parenting" is probably a mixture of CC/AP and Spock...!
I thought it was brilliant that they showed some easy breastfeeding and some problematic one...

And now...RANTALERT....but please, can somebody , please, tell me how Maternity Nurses can get away with carrying teh title Nurse in their Job title...it's a bloody disgrace...now I am a qualifeid Nurse, but no registration, and therefore at this time, my Nursing certificate isn't worth the paper it is written on...and it completely pees me off that people, that have no official Qualification (as is often the case in so called Maternity Nurses) and usually are most certainly not in anyway qualified in Nursing can get away with being called a Nurse....grrrr....rant over

I have spoken to the NSPCC this morning. I suggest that as many people as possible ring up and say they want to make a child protection referral about it. They will try and palm you off to their PR department (spoke to them to and it is worth doing so, so that they know that people want action not just a press statment saying 'we dont agree with this'.

This must become more than just a 'PR / media is bad' issue. It must be taken up as a child protection concern, both for the families in the programme and for future babies in contact with Claire Verity.

I have aslo spoken to the Nursing and Midwifery Council about her using a nurse name and uniform, despite being unregistered. Their Standards department was also very concerened and will investigate.

Lastly, I have called the Children's Safeguarding unit at the Department for Children's, Schools and Families, about the fact that 'Maternity Nurses' appear to be unregulated (if she was a childminder you could contact ofsted and have her struck off). They too were very concerned. Their tel no. is 0870 000 2288.

The more people who call to the various bodies, the harder it will be for the 'machine' to not respond.

Concetta interesting...and glad I am not the only one thinking it's wrong that teh title Maternity Nurse is allowed to be used, dispite there not being a reulatory body!

I have asked people what they think a Maternity Nurse is, etc...just to see what sort of assumptions the "title" carries across...and every single person assumed that they had a maternity specific Nursing training.......people are very shocked to hear that this is not so.
I actually looked into all of this, when I was looking at inof about "you know who", the one we are not allowed to mention"....and found out back then, that you don't have to have any training or qualifications...obvioulsy a lot of them do have nanny Qualifications etc...but why they don't call themselfs Newborn Nannies, or Maternity Nannies then, i do not know...

This woman shouldn't be allowed to continue to practice as she is clearly clueless

BUT

I do wonder about these parents, in particular the mothers. Why did they want to follow such a rigid routine? Surely, like all expecting parents they looked into all kinds of baby rearing. How can they be so selfish to want and be able to, ignore a baby communicating for basic needs?? Even if they didnt understand what is was all about before, 2 weeks in they mst have worked out a baby is more than an eating/pooing machine and needs interaction

I'm just as angry with these parents, selfish prats

The thing about calling yourself a maternity nurse is that it allows you to let people think you have qualifications (you'd think at least a children's nursing qualification if not midwifery as well) without having so much as a cycling proficiency badge - Now, if you had any conscience that would be unacceptable on moral grounds at the very least , but CV appears to be getting away with it! Is it because the type of family she usually targets equates paying lots of money with getting the best? That's the only way i can get my head around the idea of that sociopath sniggering outside a distressed baby's room while their parents think they are being looked after.
Lisa X

but you see, dispite me actually having a certificate in nursing, and another stating that I am qualified and allowed to use the title (in germany this is what you get)...over here it would be illegal for me to use my Nursing title, due to it being misleading and as I am not registered...therfore, I don't see why someone should just be allowed to carry this title...
It would be, like me finding say a private Nursing Job and witholding that my registration lapsed and therefore I am not actually allowed to practise...

OH and CV is not the only one getting away with it

Oh i know that! I'm in the samr boat as you - I've lapsed my RNLD registration - But I could still manage a care home if i put myself forward for NVQ4 in managment whether i had experience in the field or not - That's another anomaly entirely!

Just been on the baby show Website and there is now an error page where they used to crow about CV speaking and in the their breaking news slot is the news that Claire Scott is speaking!!!
Lisa X

Lisa, yeah having a NVQ4 in care management does change that...
oh and lol at that website suddenly not beig all that happy about announcing CV speaking...hm, wonder why that is...

Just watched last night's prog on the C4 website. Clare Verity was bang out of order. No one could speak to or about my mum the way she did to the blonde lady on the phone(I think she's a childminder?).

How could she (the childminder mum) think that her NEWBORN was being a "little madam"?!

I found it so distressing to hear the twins crying. I felt like crying too! Poor babies

CV and the parents who follow her are wrong on so many levels.

jamila - just read THIS on the Baby Show website:

Are you watching Channel 4's Bringing up Baby? Claire Scott (mentor Continuum Concept) will be on Close Baby's stand throughout the weekend. Answer our poll to see which parenting method is most popular!

Get this then people!
www.nmc-uk.org/aArticle.aspx?ArticleID=265
believe me the NMC normally move at the same pace as Brian the snail and are not generally as to the point as that!
Lisa X