claire verity part 2

[Lorayn]

Too many bloody posts on the other one, I cant post!!!

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yep my 13 yr old ds finds it well annoying apparently

i'd like to know how the CV mother was during her pregnancy. did she talk to her 'bump' (i did), caress, sing to it, take extra care of herself to protect the precious thing inside her she was carrying? and for what- to ignore the poor mite in the most traumatic first few weeks of her life....

not only is it an instinct to cuddle, but it is absolutely necessary for the childs MENTAL health.

Doing it all the CV way will raise a rejected, hurt and scared child who is unable to relate to people and others in their adult life as they didn't have the groundwork sorted when they were babies and children.

I had to be seperated from my mum when I was a tiny baby, I had medical tests etc and left to deal with the pains alone (ie - cry)... to THIS DAY (and I am now 24) I can still feel the sense of total abandonment and get upset if it is discussed.

This is not good - she needs talking to, stopping and dealing with... why, as I have read somewhere on the site is it OK for her to be paid to say such tripe, but a teen mother in a council house somewhere would be raided by social workers for neglect if she were to ignore such a baby

Double standards? definitely... and dangerous ones at that

She doesn't have any kids (SURPRISE SURPRISE!!) and also says she doesn't want any.

Just ignore the silly bint and let her sail through her childless and loveless life and leave us proper parents to bring up our children the correct way.

Why anyone would listen to her is beyond me. I hope the kids she messes with get some proper care before she gives them issues for the rest of their life. We don't want a whole bloody gegeration of heartless sods.

I've decided I'm not watching any more of the programmes in the series - I don't want to see any more of CV as it is effectively watching child neglect which is not an activity I'd normally indulge in and as the other two "gurus" are mainly saying what 99.9% of mothers know anyway I'm not going to waste a precious child-free hour once a week for goodness knows how many weeks watching just to see them.

wot I just replied to C4 with regard to the stock email we have been receiving. This time it was 'signed' by a man.

As I can see from the posters on Mumsnet.com, this is a standard email reply, with misplaced commas and other grammatical faults included, however, the signature at the bottom differs.

Channel 4 continues to insult the intelligence of its viewers.

I am therefore refusing to watch any Channel 4's programming until this series has run its course and possibly beyone.

Of course, I will make exception for one show, so that I can continue to complain to channel 4 and to Ofcom.

I will also continue to request an individual response to my complaint letter as there are several questions which I raised and would like them addressed by someone other than a stock response writer who probably received an unclassified degree in Media Studies.

Yours truly
kkd

If anybody's interested, there's a thread on the channel 4 page about this.

community.channel4.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=8280090101

LOL

I replied and pointed that 1. it was clearly a standard reply 2. they failed to respond to my concern about a lack of official guidelines being mentioned.

Taped this last night and just watched it was I the only one who was a bit worried about the continuum mum who had the c-section? I felt like the guru was blaming the medical intervention for the difficulties the mum was having with breastfeeding nipple confusion or no, some mums (well, me) get the baby onto the breast minutes after the birth and still have difficulty with latch, pain, etc. I thought she was making the woman feel like everything was shot to bits before she'd even started. And I shouted at the TV when she said "We're going to have to work really hard to undo what the doctors have done."

Like save the life of the mother and the baby?

I wonder if CV has ever read "Why Love Matters" by Sue Gerhardt. A good book looking at how affection ensures healthy development of the brain in the first year of life.

Perhaps somebody should send her a copy.

Excerpt:

"Babies who do not get the attention they need and who do not feel adequately protected from distress are forced to become aware of their own helplessness and powerlessness. But such awareness is premature because a young baby has virtually no capacity to regulate his own distress or act in his own interests. There is little he or she can do if no-one responds to his protests and cries, except to try not to feel and to play dead".

How sad.

Question: My cousin was raised Truby-style. He has problems with anger management and has had several short-lived marriages.

Anyone think there may be a connection?

Aw, she didn't say 'undo what the doctors have done' she said 'undo what the bottles have done', mybaby'sinthegarden (love the name).

I did get the impression she was regretful the baby had had bottles...and probably rightly so. I would want to know if the mother had been able to express colostrum, or use donor milk, or do skin to skin.......

This baby may have needed bottles, and the mum almost certainly needed the section (from what we could see), but it did lead to a situation that did not help bf.

My beef with her was the way she tried to help the mother with the feeding.

I complained to Ofcom who seem to have a more robust complaints system in place I think (hope). Have never complained about a telly programme before so not sure!

Of course the nasty woman wants her charges to sleep through the night, makes her job much easier I guess.

It makes me sick that she has deprived these babies of their parents natural instincts to love. It is abuse..maybe they should do a child of our time kind of thing and see just how screwed up these babies are in 7, 14 and 21 years time... Did none of them consider attachment theories? I have an ex who was put into care and shown no love for the 1st 4 years of his life. He is unable to keep any lasting relationships, has trouble sustaining friendships, no sense of responsibility towards his own children and unable to show love or affection towards them(both relationships have broken down with the mothers), cannot settle or form committments with women/ friends/ places to live.
I am sure he would have slept through the night as a baby

I have been thinking about this programme all day!

deffo agree mum2twosons

I have it taped tiktok, I'm going to check! I just thought that what the mother needed just then was someone to gee her up and say "Great job, you've come through a lot, you're bearing up brilliantly, considering, etc." Not, "Hmm, shame that emergency treatment has prevented you from bonding with your baby."

There was a psychoanalist called John Bowlby who researched attachment and one of his experiments showed how if given a choice between hard wire fake parent with food and soft warm fake parent an infant resus monkey would often choose comfort over food.
So surely would be same for a human baby.
Truby King probably thought he was doing right thing but that was a 100 years ago and with the knowledge we have on infant emotional and mental development it saddens me that paople still follow this method.
I'm personally somewhere between Spock and continium. Did put my babies outside for some time but more because I was outside too.

My mum was subjected to the Truby King method as a baby and she's a lost soul now. It's a wicked way to treat babies. CV came across as sadistic.

Complain to the sponsors Huggies, here about this horrible TV show -

www.kimberly-clark.com/ask/UKAskUs/united_kingdom.asp?country=UNITED%20KINGDOM&Label=Co rporateSite&ssl=true

But Seriously,

Studies of children in Romanian orphanages, who are left in cots, to cry, fed on routine and not touched show that their brains are actually devoid of the normal activity apparent in children with loving and caring parents.

Surely the real Claire Verity should do some research into this.

I've only come across her type in real life years ago when they were closing the Assylums housing people with learning disabilities. Those people were harsh and cruel and we would call them neglectful and they would be sacked today so how can she get away with this cruelty on national television. It's child abuse for goodness sake.

Peadophiles also have unusual activity in their brains. I wonder if any studies have been done on the way they were treated as a baby.

i agree with clare verity
Now theres a phrase i never thought id type

She can only get away with this as nannies are unregistered.

Unlike childminders, nannies are not at present registered, inspected or police checked - but I believe they should be.
A national register would protect children, parents and nannies. It would mean those found guilty of bad practice or worse could be struck off so they could no longer work with children. It would also stop unsuitable people moving around the country or between types of childcare to avoid detection.

Another thing to write to an MP about.

That's insane! I didn;t know that!

All the nannies I know are Police checked, if you want to get a nannies job through and they will insist on it. Also with the 2 agencies I was with (beofre I had my own children), I also had to take my first aid course every 3 yrs.
A proper professional nanny should always be police checked, if you get someone through a paper or from someone you know then of course it's up to you to ask them to have it done.