claire verity part 2

[Lorayn]

Too many bloody posts on the other one, I cant post!!!

yes, madameplatypus, that's me. I take it that i am also quite slender and elegant?

The Daily Mail article about the programme

here

had the mum of the twins saying the method had worked - as it certainly can, because we know babies can be taught to accept anything. The science behind the book Why Love Matters explains that there may be a price to pay later,

oh yes, slender and elegant Kiskidee!

Unfortunately, I don't think we will see CV 'fail'as all she is trying to do is get the babies to sleep.

Do I take it from the lack of response that I am the only one that views it like this?!! Is everyone really so up for a fight that they can't see the only losers in this programme are the poor babies whose lives are being manipulated for your viewing entertainment??!!!!! I expected more from MNetters

goodness, beanstalk, how pompous. loads of people were agreeing with you on the other thread but it's locked now as it went over 1000. of course it's ethically dubious in the extreme, although it seems to me parents on these reality shows often take dodgy decisions on behalf of their children.

Oh for goodness sake, beanstalk!!!

Loads of posts on the other thread - now locked as too full - show people on mumsnet have grave concerns about the whole programme and have serious concerns for the babies. Did you not see that??

Just watched it.

It was all I could do to keep watching it and not rant on here about it.

That Verity woaman is AWFUL. What a witch. How can she advice leaving a 1 day old baby to cry all night. And outside for 3 hours, and NO CUDDLING!!! Arrgh! Its made me soooooo mad.
The poor sister Ashton just wanted to cuddle her baby sister. If they keep up with her methods they'll miss so much of their babies life. And posssibly damage her.

She was awful, cruel and seemed to get pleasure out of stating her rules.

hate it hate it hate it.

And as for not watching it....well, that's an individual choice, but some of us want to watch things in order to know what we are up against. It doesn't mean we condone the contents.

Yeah OK I did sound pompous, but just thinking that CH4 are onto a winner aren't they? I bet the advertisers are fighting for next weeks slots given the publicity this is stirring up. It saddens me, that's all. On that note, I am bowing out of the discussions as I don't want to add fuel to the debate, just wondered why more of you aren't getting that the best way to object is not to watch!

'The theory behind it is that babies don't need cuddles or hugs' WHAT!!!! WTF. madness.

i think the ad slots will likely have been sold months ago, that's my understanding of how it works at any rate. don't the BARB ratings only get scaled-up from a select group of houses, or has that changed? it may have done, i'm not up on the latest ratings technology.

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i don't think the ante-natalers click on active convos, Pruni.

Aitch

Pruners - yes, at least her barbaric methods are being seen for what they are, that is about the only redeeming feature of the programme I think.
I can see Bringing Up Baby Part 2 - GF vs The Baby Whisperer. God I support Tanya 100% in her decision to pull out of TV, it's getting ridiculous isn't it? That's why I won't be watching the rest of the series, so that CH4 aren't tempted to do a part 2.
Err, just remembered I was pompously pulling out of the debate, damn!

just go this response from C4:

Thank you for contacting Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries regarding BRINGING UP
BABY.

Please be assured your complaint has been noted and logged. The log is
distributed throughout Channel 4.

We would like to advise you that BRINGING UP BABY is a thoughtful and
responsible observation of different methods of childcare. There have been
conflicting and different views in this area for many years and it is,
without doubt, a valid area for exploration in a television programme. The
series is not setting out to promote any particular method of childcare, but
rather to explore and contrast them.

All the parents involved were asked what style of child rearing interested
them, the methods were then described in general terms, highlighting the
guiding principals, each family then chose the method which most closely
related to their instinctual choice. Each family reported that they were
happy with the childcare method they chose and are still continuing with it.

We can assure you, that we take the welfare of the children in this series,
as with all programmes, very seriously. Various medical experts including a
GP and consultant paediatrician were consulted and the babies received the
usual regular health visitor checks.

Regards,
Veronica Way
Channel 4 Viewer Enquiries

Were the health visitors allowed to hold the babies?
What if the babies had to be fed or asleep when the HV got there - was she made to wait on the doorstep?

I wonder whether Dr Tanya's decision had anything to do with this programme?

I've had a response from Channel 4 who say: 'We can assure you, that we take the welfare of the children in this series, as with all programmes, very seriously. Various medical experts including a GP and consultant paediatrician were consulted and the babies received the usual regular health visitor checks.'

Misguided use of commas all theirs.

ooh look twofalls - your response is identical to mine

timesonline.typepad.com/alphamummy/2007/09/claire-verity--.html

i can confirm that the grandparents of the twins are not allowed to go near the babies when they are sleeping. not sure if the grandma speaks good english or not, CV simply says ah ah AH at her and no no NO. rude bitch.

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Look at this link:

women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article2490452.ece

Extract from that website:

"Claire Verity says...
The DOH advises that you do not wean a child until it is 6 months. I, however, wean as and when a baby requires ? it?s usually around the four months stage. Some babies cannot survive on milk alone until 6 months ? I would rather feed them than starve them."

Do I need to comment?

Strikes me as odd - she may as well starve them, they don't get love, affection, attention, comfort or security - why does she make an exception for food?

Crazy loon..

what galls me and this is what CV cannot comprehend being childless (and not to say childless people cannot be good carers btw)
means she misses one major aspect of a new baby and its mothers relationship
newflash *it is notjust about the baby wanting cuddles and affection or not.
You are then denying the mother the chance to spend hours sat down with her nead buried in her newborns head, sniffing that fabulous small of her baby.
I plead guilty to cuddling my kids when they have no desire to be cuddled enough, because I need to cuddle them - for me.

I know someone city type, who hired such a person, in her email when pregnant she said
I want to breastfeed as the baby will come back to a workplace creche with me at 6 wks and have employers support to feed whenever necessary.
When un named expert came and said bf iks incompatible with sleeping through the night and any structured routine will fail if you insist of breastfeeding.
So said city type told her to get lost...