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Madeleine documentary

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mentallyfacked · 14/03/2019 10:37

New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

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Strawberrypancakes · 16/03/2019 19:25

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Olga321 · 16/03/2019 19:51

The neighbour in the flat above said she heard the children crying the night before MM went missing. In her book Kate McCann said Madeleine asked her why she hadn't come to them when they were crying. And the two doctors went out for tapas with their mates, leaving their children alone - again.

contrary13 · 16/03/2019 19:55

I'm halfway through the second "episode", or part... and two things have struck me forcibly.

(1) The female tennis player said that they could hear Kate McCann "howling", and how it was such an animalistic sound which she'd only heard twice before: once when her mother died, and once when her nephew died. That struck me as implying that she thinks Kate and/or Gerry knew something had happened to Madeline other than simply having been taken. Of course, it could simply be terror for her missing child, but... I don't know. The female tennis player seemed to be implying otherwise. And thoroughly enjoying her moment in the limelight, I thought (I could be wrong, of course, but that's my impression of her interview segments). She also seemed to be blaming Kate more than Gerry...

(2) The amount of times it was stressed that the place was safe. I can understand how, if this was the general vibe of the resort/town, the group of adults all left their children in various apartments whilst they met up for dinner in the evening. I really can. It wouldn't be my choice as a parent... but if everyone was "oh, yes; such a safe town, everyone's friendly, blah, blah, blah..." around them, then I can't judge them for believing the hype and trusting it to be true.

My daughter's a lot older than Madeline, but when she was around the same age, she looked a lot like her. Seeing those photographs of a happy, smiling little girl on the news and pretty much everywhere we looked, for a very long time, made my blood run cold because of the likeness. Sad

surferjet · 16/03/2019 20:06

Just finished watching all episodes.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We’ve all made mistakes as parents.
I just hope & pray Madeleine is found alive one day.

Desperateforspring · 16/03/2019 20:52

Contrary I think most would howl if child was no where to be seen.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 16/03/2019 21:05

Nobody knows how they’d react to find their 3 year old child missing. I guess everyone would be slightly different. Some would be hysterical and scream, some would be that shocked they’d not be able to speak, some would run around wild looking everywhere and everything else in between.

Olga321 · 16/03/2019 21:22

The female tennis player thoroughly enjoying her moment in the limelight, I thought

I thought the same! She's clearly been dining out on that tale for years.

user1457017537 · 16/03/2019 22:37

The resort may well have been safe but the children could still have had an accident whilst left alone. They could all have got up and walked around in the apartment. What child stays in their bed if they wake up.

CakeNinja · 16/03/2019 22:40

My son wandered off for about 20 minutes a couple of years ago.
I wasn’t scared for a good 10 minutes. I even laughed and joked for a couple of minutes while looking with my friends about him probably being in the toilet. Only in the last 10 minutes did I start to panic and even then I didn’t let it show for fear of it becoming ‘real’. Not once did I consider calling the police though.
I think many of us have lost sight of our children at one time or another, and I would say that other people would have reacted differently to me, possibly outwardly panicking from the very beginning, others being more casual.
I don’t know, I don’t think it’s for anyone to say how the McCanns “should” have reacted and that anything else is considered suspicious.
Obviously my situation is VERY different, it’s just addressing the discussions on their first few moments upon discovering they couldn’t find their daughter.

roisinagusniamh · 16/03/2019 23:06

What's unusual is the their friends (the Tapas 8,or whatever they were called,)have never spoken out.
What processed them all to leave their pre school children alone every night.
I read somewhere that one of the children had been vomiting and the parents still left her alone!
Appalling parenting!

MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe · 16/03/2019 23:10

I linked this on the other thread. This is the interview with one of the friends and she talks about the baby listening and baby monitors.

All the interviews are in the PJ files and are public documents. This family had a digital baby monitor and used that.

It gives a bit of context. www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe · 16/03/2019 23:21

She also says that there was illness amongst the group, sickness, and for several evenings one of the group was absent from the Tapas so remained in the apartment.

CakeNinja · 17/03/2019 00:49

My god, that’s one lengthy document! I have been reading it for an hour and a half and still not finished Shock

ProudAunty2nine · 17/03/2019 05:17

I have watched the first five episodes and my opinions have changed a little.
I wondered why when she discovered Madeleine missing she went running back to get the others thus leaving the twins alone in an open room ?

And another thing that sprang to mind .... why take your children on holiday and then stick them in a holiday club all day and then leave them in their bedroom unsupervised all night ???

Prequelle · 17/03/2019 07:10

I thought the woman describing the howling was very frank and just trying to put across how devastated Kate was. I think I would be howling at that point

desperatehousewife21 · 17/03/2019 07:15

That apartment they were staying in is literally on a main road! There is no way I’d ever leave my kids in there with an unlocked door no matter how ‘safe’ the area was meant to be.
Not only because of intruders but as others have said if the kids woke they could just walk out the door and wander off anywhere.

TheFunkyFox · 17/03/2019 07:17

What makes me question it is, if she was abducted then why hasn’t there ever been another child taken around the area since, or before that they could link together?

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surferjet · 17/03/2019 07:28

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There had been quite a few ‘incidents’ of men gaining entry into apartments to sexual assault children, they targeted UK families in particular - this was happening in the run up to Madeleines disappearance. The area was by no means ‘safe’ but this information was not passed onto holiday makers.

roisinagusniamh · 17/03/2019 08:13

I don't believe they are guilty , they show too much distress but I do think they were clueless and incredibly selfish. I am also beginning to suspect that they medicated all three bacause the twins sleeping through all the noise and that not alarming the parents proves they were druged.
As was said up thread...why take them on holiday at all when they were in Holiday club all day and in bed all night?

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 17/03/2019 08:19

I was at an enclosed playground a few months back when a woman couldn't find her three-year-old for five minutes. She was howling and flailing her arms around at anyone who tried to come close to her. The child was hiding under the climbing frame. You never know how someone's going to react in panic.

contrary13 · 17/03/2019 08:24

I think I may have phrased what I was trying to say, wrongly. What I meant when I said the tennis player had said (I'm paraphrasing) "Oh, Kate was howling... an animalistic sound that I've only heard twice before. Once when my mother died, and once when my nephew died", what I was trying to say was that she seemed to emphasis the word "died".

"Once when my mother died, and once when my nephew died."

It was almost as if she was saying - years later, undoubtedly once she'd devoured all the news reports, and gossiped with others about her part in the whole fiasco of an investigation - that she somehow believed, in that moment she heard Kate McCann howling, that the mother, at least, knew that her child was dead.

I also found it quite interesting that she was pretty much salivating over "funny" and "good tennis player" Gerry McCann. She used other adjectives, too, which seemed to suggest that she only knew him and not his wife/children... yet still felt the need to speculate for the docu-crew. The other tourist, the male whose daughter actually interacted with Madeline McCann in the Kids Club, was more circumspect, more factual, more "she dived in after my child's straw hat and frightened everyone" (implying that she was a fearless child).

Do I think that Kate and/or Gerry McCann had anything to do with the disappearance of their child? Other than ignoring her saying "why didn't you come when [brother] and I were crying last night, Mummy?" and leaving them alone whilst they wandered off across a complex to eat dinner with their friends... actually, no. I think that it was simply a case of "we're on holiday, everyone says this place is really safe, we want some child-free time together". Hindsight, as someone else has already said, is 20/20... and, at the end of the day, they are the ones who will have to live with the terrible, awful consequences of a choice which they made that night. I don't even want to start imagining how I would cope, react, feel if one of my children had been snatched in that way. I really don't. Conversely, do I think Madeline McCann is still alive and going to be found one day? No. And I truly hope that if she was taken by paedophiles, that she was sedated... and never woke up. That's my personal opinion and hope, and I know that it's probably not a popular one. But as a mother, as a child sex abuse survivor... really, after 10 years, I think that's the best we can actually hope for. Do I understand why the McCanns are continuing their search for their daughter? Yes. Absolutely. But what happens when she's still not been found alive in another 10 years time? Or 20...? Will they still be searching for her? Will they expect her siblings to continue searching for her? Will we have another situation akin to the Keith Bennett one, where his mother died not knowing where her son was, and passed the baton onto his younger brother?

I don't condone their choices... but I also cannot condemn them.

I do, however, think that female tennis player was thoroughly enjoying being filmed and questioned about "her" part in this horrific event. And personally, I find that questionable in and of itself.

surferjet · 17/03/2019 08:35

Agee about the female tennis player.
Enjoying her moment far too much.

peridito · 17/03/2019 08:44

@TheFunkyFox what book ? Sorry to be ignorant has Kate M written a book ? Was she describing her daughter's genitals ???

roisinagusniamh · 17/03/2019 08:58

They were neglectful and Social Care should have paid them a visit when they returned regarding the twins.They left young children unsupervised. All of the group should have been put on a Parenting class !