Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

No worries Valanice. We're not on the same page at all on this case but I do appreciate your apology!

As RedHelen B states a burglar could have opened the window after being startled by children waking up. This could have been how MM escaped and then was either knocked over and taken for fear of prosecution, wandered off into sea/well or abducted when wandering streets.

I understand that there's no proof of anything. So no theory can be backed up, and that an open mind should be maintained. I also can see how the way K&G behaved channelled public perception down a specific route.

However, if we're taking probabilities, SURELY the most likely thing is that she was abducted from her room. There had been multiple reports of dubious characters knocking on doors and even entering houses. It just seems so likely that this is what happened. Whatever the whole thing is awful, and my sympathies are with her parents.

I read that the lichen on the window was completely undisturbed so the window was ruled out as a point of entry or exit. The only way in and out for either a kidnapper or Madeleine herself was via the patio door. The idea was that she couldn't have got out herself because the patio door was closed, even if she'd managed to open it, it's unlikely she would have closed it again. Although by that thinking, it's unlikely anyone else would have either. That's why the window was a focus point, it could still have been the entry/exit point but it's very unlikely unless both Madeleine and kidnapper climbed out very slowly and carefully. Which is not very likely.

I take some of these reports about dubious characters with a large pinch of salt. That's not to say all. But kidnappers don't want to draw attention to themselves . For example they went on about a blonde man near the macanns appartment. There could be any number of innocent explanations for this.

I agree RedHelen. My neighbour has been all over FB this week with viral warnings of Romanian gangs in white vans loitering outside schools to kidnap children. It's all scaremongering bollocks, the same photo with the same van has been "spotted" all over the country. Child exploitation gangs don't target white middle class children, they don't need to.

Screamer- you’re absolutely right about keeping an open mind. And many people, from the same ‘evidence’ (or rather, complete lack of) feel there’s at least as much, or more, probably of her wandering out. Possibly a combination of getting up to look for her parents and an opportunist abduction. Or wandering and some kind of accident in the dark.

Whatever happened it’s an utter mystery. Personally I feel wandering is more likely scenario than abduction from inside the apartment.

The abduction theory was pushed so hard from the start with that artists improession of the alleged abductor carrying MM being highlighted for years (and later determined to be of no significance) that i wonder to what extent that’s seared on the public consciousness.

Sadly, paedophile rings operate in the U.K. too, but if a child went missing from an unlocked house I doubt people’s first thoughts would be that someone had broken in through a window and abducted them. Doesn’t make it impossible but my point is I think the general public consciousness has been swayed heavily in this direction in MMs case despite the lack of evidence.

TaMere yes, there would be far more vulnerable children who would be an easier target for such gangs.

Yes I agree the likelihood of abduction is slim in comparison to the other scenarios.

Personally I think there’s more chance of a child disappearing having been abducted as opposed to wandering off. It makes more sense to me. Add the reports of men hanging around, the fact that it was written in the reservation book at the bar that the children would be left alone while their parents dined, even the fact Portugal is linked to paedophile rings would make lean more to an abduction.
I feel she would have been seen at some point in the street and/or would have been found by now if not very early on.

Obviously we’re just all going round the houses now, all this has been said before and picked apart.

I read that it wasn’t written down in the reservation book that the children were left alone. In fact, the reservation book was useless to the police because no record had been kept.

We have paedophile rings in this country too, unfortunately Portugal isn't a special case.

What did Kate answer to Madeleine when she asked why they hadn't come when the twins ctied the night before??

If you thought no one was coming it is natural to go to them, even as a young child.

The police aren't even certain Madeleine disappeared that day, due to the crèche records being so inaccurate and lack of sightings apart from within the group. Russell O'Brien often made mistakes ie calling his daughter Emma rather than Ella and putting in wrong apartment numbers. Kate's entries sometimes have different handwriting. Although I suppose Kate mentioning the conversation about Madeleine asking questions that morning 'proves' she was alive that day.

I'm reading through Kate's diary and this entry about her washing cuddle cat might be of interest to some .

THURSDAY, JULY 12: I hate the person who took my Madeleine'the same one who has caused all this trouble, who made us feel worthless and mistrustful and mainly who has frightened my beautiful Madeleine. I will never forgive that person/those people for this. Never.

Today I washed the Cuddle Cat (Madeleine's favourite soft toy and a constant comfort to heartbroken Kate). I was hoping not to have to do it until Madeleine returns, but it was now quite dirty and smelly, unfortunately without the smell of Madeleine on it. XX

www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm

I don't know how Kate's diary comes to be on line .

Russell O'Brien often made mistakes ie calling his daughter Emma rather than Ella

I don't believe that.

*I don't believe you
*
Suit yourself.

That's what so infuriating, all the pushing of abduction, when there is no evidence at all. Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell was a government spin doctor, he controls everything that gets printed in the press ( which I presume you're getting all your info from) Tracey Khandola is a very good friend of Kate's so every one of her articles in The Sun are all pushing the abduction theory. Try reading the police files they're an eye opener for sure. It's just unfortunate for the McCanns all this happened in Portugal where such information is available to the public

Why are so people against the abduction theory? What’s it to you?

Russell O'Brien often made mistakes ie calling his daughter Emma rather than Ella

What are you insinuating here?

I'm not pushing abduction at all, nor am I against it particularly. I just think that on the balance of probabilities, a) it's extremely unlikely since such events are vanishingly rare, and b) if it did happen there would be some physical evidence. If she wandered off, there wouldn't be any evidence to find in the apartment.

I think ppl are against the abduction theory because they believe the McCanns "pushed" this idea as a deliberate strategy to distract attention from some other cause of Madeleine's dissapearance .

I have read the JP police files ,they are indeed interesting but don't shed any light on what happened to Madeleine .

think ppl are against the abduction theory because they believe the McCanns "pushed" this idea as a deliberate strategy to distract attention from some other cause of Madeleine's disappearance

Yes, because they think that the McCanns has something to do with her disappearance.

If she wandered off, there wouldn't be any evidence to find in the apartment

and that "evidence" was the alerting by dogs to a cadaver scent and blood .Which the dog handler explained could not be deemed to be evidence .

My thoughts regarding the dogs alerting are that the cadaver scent may have been introduced to the apartment and to some objects in the apartment ( eg cuddle cat ) by someone entering the apartment who then took Madeleine .

Or by one of the GDR .( not deliberately but by contamination )

It seems to me that despite protestations the JP did think that Madeleine might have been abducted - either from the flat or while wandering off.

They advised against publishing details of her appearance ,which surely would only be an issue if she were in someone else's hands ?