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Madeleine documentary

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mentallyfacked · 14/03/2019 10:37

New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

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huntinghighandlow · 17/03/2019 08:58

Didn't the police find discrepancies with the kids club diary entries ? There were mistakes like Kate's surname changing from McCann to Healey, as if someone else had signed her in. According to the files the police don't know for certain she actually went missing that day as the timelines given by the group were all over the place.

Sad to see one if the group was late for dinner due to clearing up after his daughter had been vomiting Shock

user1457017537 · 17/03/2019 09:42

Huntinghighandlow yes there were discrepancies and really how accurate are these logs? I think the timeline of MM being seen is also disputed?

TheFunkyFox · 17/03/2019 09:51

Yes she has,

Madeleine documentary
ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 10:28

@TheFunkyFox I think you're being really unkind and obtuse by hinting that that quote is anything other than what it clearly was; Fear and graphic unwanted thoughts about the possibility of paedophilia.

roisinagusniamh · 17/03/2019 10:41

Of course that awful image will be in their heads !
That's what child abusers do!

ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 10:46

They were neglectful and Social Care should have paid them a visit when they returned regarding the twins

Leicestershire SS DID visit them in connection with the twins' welfare @roisinagusniamh , and they apparently had no concerns.

They left young children unsupervised. All of the group should have been put on a Parenting class !

One of the things @MyEyesAreNotDeceivingMe 's link to Fiona P's police statement (below) clarifies in detail, is that the McCanns were the only couple of the Tapas 7 who left their children in an unlocked apartment on that holiday.

It goes a long way to explaining how the group went from sharing a VILLA the year before, to booking the holiday at the Ocean Club in the incorrect belief that there was a listening service, to not getting the adjacent apartments they hoped for, to the baby monitors two families used, to deciding to do their own "listening service", and finally Gerry (Not Kate) pushing it to unlocked patio doors.

They were stupid, yes, but they only progressed down that decision path in increments, so you can see how they all were lulled into thinking certain things were safe, and then Gerry went one step beyond that in his own decision making.

roisinagusniamh · 17/03/2019 10:51

I really think they lacked instinct. It's odd to leave yours kids sleeping so far away while you eat out. Why not take the tapas back to the apartment.? Why the need to be away from yours kids both day and night.?
They should have left them at home with proper supervision .
They did not kill her but they did neglect all their children.

ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 10:53

I have to say, Gerry strikes me as a typical "medic" type personality.

peridito · 17/03/2019 11:31

These extracts from interviews with one of the McCann's friends by British police are interesting ( from link posted above )

Erm, I was conscious, yeah, of a lot of Policemen in the, I don't know what you call them, the GNR or, they had the boots, the long boots and the uniform, so they were milling around the front and the back, again, all speaking Portuguese, we didn't really understand, you know, what they were saying or what they were doing. Erm, and I think, as I've said in my other statement, that's when I, around that time I saw Robert MURAT and that was at the front of the apartment. A I say, I'd been to'ing and fro'ing between the front and the back and I'd come out of the front, really just to see if anyone knew, had any information of what was happening, and, erm, Robert MURAT actually walked over to me and shook my hand and introduced himself, erm, and told me that he was, that he was a local, he was working with the Police and he spoke Portuguese and if I needed any help or wanted any help with translation then, erm, you know, he'll be there to help us. And I withdrew from him, I didn't, I don't know why specifically I remember him, I mean, I haven't got a very good memory for faces, I think the others will say, or people, but I remember him very clearly, because he looked a bit strange and he had a squint, he had glasses, he appeared as if he was with the Police, because he was standing in front of all these uniformed Police, and maybe it was my assumption that he was with them, erm, yet he was saying he was a local, and I didn't quite, in my mind, I said, well how come you're a local living down the road and you're here in plain clothes yet you're saying you're with the Police, it didn't, it just seemed a bit odd, erm, and he seemed overly in my face, I can't think of a better way of putting it, he was very quite sort of almost forceful in his introduction and, you know, at that point I was sort of almost trying to steer people away from the apartment, any extra people that weren't really needed in there, just because of what was going on inside and Kate's state, so I didn't really want somebody who I didn't know, erm, in there, erm, and I think I said in my previous statement to the PJ, there was just something that made me uneasy'.

and ....

peridito · 17/03/2019 11:33

'There's something I want to get in, which is something that happened a few days after, erm, with regards to Jane. You were saying, did she offer any description, which she didn't to me but, I'm trying to think whether it was the Saturday paper or the Sunday paper, my mum had bought a paper and it was in our apartment lying around and I had read it sort of the day, you know, I think it was the Saturday paper, I had read it and, erm, it said in this paper a description of what Madeleine was wearing and it put white pyjama bottoms and I read it and thought, well that's wrong, because I know I was with Kate on the night as she was giving her description and I knew it had a pattern on the bottoms and a frill at the bottom, so I remember being a bit, huh, well that's just wrong, you know, how can they get it wrong, this is a National Newspaper. But then Jane came later that day and read the same report and she said just off the top, you know, after reading it out loud, 'Well maybe it wasn't Madeleine I saw then, if she was wearing white pyjamas, because they weren't white pyjamas' and I said 'Well what were they' and she said 'Well they had, I'm sure they had some sort of pattern on them and a roll-up or some detail at the bottom'. And at that point my blood ran cold, because they were Madeleine's pyjamas. And, you know, that was the description she gave, having not seen Kate, having not talked to, to anybody about what Madeleine was wearing. And, erm, and I think we both, you know, just thought there's no doubt in our minds that that was Madeleine'.

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peridito · 17/03/2019 11:44

It was ifmyeyesarenotdeceivingme that posted that v helpful ( to understanding the situation ) link

www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Ppl who want to understand more rather than just go with an easy sensational and judgemental view would do well to read it .It's long but a great deal of it is setting the scene ,trying to help the interviewee remember stuff .

ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 11:53

@peridito

But Murat was cleared and Jane Tanner's sighting of a man carrying a child turned out not to be Madeleine.

The Tapas Seven and their "certainty" about various things turned out to be rubbish witnesses.

user1457017537 · 17/03/2019 12:01

I find it odd that the friend is saying about the police all in uniform speaking Portuguese. They were in Portugal. They could have asked for a translator. Roland Murat offered to translate for them. They really don’t help people’s opinion of them do they.

peridito · 17/03/2019 12:02

I'd need to read source materials and have a lot more detail to be happy in my mind that Murat had no involvement and that Jane Tanner's sighting was not of M.

ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 12:27

They were in Portugal. They could have asked for a translator. Roland Murat offered to translate for them

Yes that struck me. First complaining that they couldn't understand the Portuguese police. Then complaining that Murat was somehow "weird" for coming forward as a local resident to offer translation help.

In any case, RM wasn't there that night, so it's clear that Fiona P's evidence was tainted by hindsight and influenced by the collective attitudes of the Tapas seven.

I have to say that, collectively, the Tapas 7 don't come across as very likeable. They were sharp elbowed and threw their weight around to a cringeworthy degree before Madeleine's disappearance. They were unreliable in their evidence and quite happy to cast aspersions on others afterwards. They were more cooperative with McCann PR efforts than with the investigation.

But I think it was arrogance rather than guilt.

ColeHawlins · 17/03/2019 12:29

I'd need to read source materials and have a lot more detail to be happy in my mind that Murat had no involvement and that Jane Tanner's sighting was not of M.

Yes you should. It was British police who found and ruled out the man carrying his own daughter.

peridito · 17/03/2019 12:38

No one is infallible Cole .And that includes the British police .

Whisky2014 · 17/03/2019 12:59

.why take them on holiday at all when they were in Holiday club all day and in bed all night? Well, this is the kind of thing my parents did. They needed to take us with them but wanted their own space. So we got put in kids clubs for entertainment whilst they did as they pleased. Im sure loads of parents did this but won't admit it.

We got left in cars too for bloody ages

Whisky2014 · 17/03/2019 13:34

That struck me as implying that she thinks Kate and/or Gerry knew something had happened to Madeline other than simply having been taken.

Ive just watched that section @contrary13 and I dont agree. It doesnt sound like that's what she implying at all.
However, I agree tennis player seems to have a crush on Gerry and is enjoying the limelight weirdly.

Whisky2014 · 17/03/2019 13:39

And i think she will have been killed very soon after she was taken.

MrsFassy · 17/03/2019 14:21

Wow first thing that's struck me reading Fiona Payne's interview is how young her children were at the time. Just about to turn one and a few months shy of 3. They were tiny.

Are they the family which left a vomiting child?

Whisky2014 · 17/03/2019 14:25

Omg that efit egg woth side parting. Ridiculousl

MrsFassy · 17/03/2019 14:27

@Whisky2014 For Madeleine's sake I hope that's true. I see people wishing her to be found alive still and I can't get my head around that, considering what will have been happening to that poor child for all this time. I hope the poor baby suffered as little as possible and is now at peace, but I also hope, for her whole family, that they can find out what happened.

One thing I remember reading somewhere, can't recall exactly where, is that in cases like this, hope is the cruelest companion. There's always that tiny bit of hope preventing you from grieving properly. The not knowing is worse than anything else. I can't even begin to imagine the torture that family have been through.

roisinagusniamh · 17/03/2019 15:25

Whisky, did your parents leave you alone at night when you were under 5 years old ?

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