Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

She may have been right about that or wrong. Many parents know that feeling of shock when your kid does something you did not think they could.
But then the obvious question is even if she had got out, why was she not found?
Sadly I do think she was abducted. But at this stage, I think only a death bed confession will solve this.

re: reconstruction - a reconstruction isn’t going to solve a mystery, or apportion blame. It’s a means of establishing an accurate time line of events. Because as everyone knows, there are bound to be minor errors in individuals’ timings. But triangulating information about people/ times/locations provides as accurate a picture as possible. Many years were spent with the major focus being on an artists impression of an alleged abductor which then turned out to be erroneous. I feel it can only have been a positive thing to establish timings etc as accurately as possible

I think that the poor parents and those at tapas to a lesser extent must still suffer so much. There were mistakes with how the children were looked after.

But....

Everyone makes mistakes as parents.

I really hope that one day they will find it what has happened to their daughter.

I hope one day advances in science could help (but it sounds like evidence was not kept properly).

We can dip in and out of their story but have no real idea how it is to be in their situation.

Today 11:45 MadMum101

‘On further research, it seems the woman whose torture the police chief was accused of covering up, was convicted of lying about the torture in 2013. It's not clear if his conviction still stands though and he is referred to as 'disgraced cop' in the UK MSM who never reported on it. The allegations were portrayed as if he himself tortured the woman. It's interesting to read up on it and claims that the woman's lawyer was paid by Metodo 3, the company involved in the search for Madeleine.’

MadMum- the media play mostly to an audience who like things simple, black and white. They want a ‘baddie’ - whether that’s the McCanns who are then a target for vitriol, or Amaral (ditto)

Because it’s just not as “powerful” to say, actually, neither party is perfect, neither party is evil, and that we don’t actually know what happened.

I don't really understand why people are saying their children could get through/over/out of a stairgate. What are you trying to prove? We had a gate on the stairs til DS was 3.5 and he never once even tried to get over it. We still have one across the door to the study because otherwise he goes in there and messes about with our work - he's four now. If I left him somewhere with a stairgate, I'd be able to say with a fair degree of confidence that he couldn't have got past it on his own.

But either way, it's all just anecdote.

I don’t think anyone is trying to prove anything. Quite the opposite. I think the point is that saying you don’t think your child would open or climb over a stair gate doesnt prove that they can’t.

Don’t be so disingenuous.

Huh? You think @acciocat is being disingenuous?

It's just theorising like any of the other theorising isn't it?

I don't believe that we should necessarily believe the McCanns' own assessment of MM's escapology abilities either. Not because I think they are lying, but because parents are so often mistaken about what their child is capable of. I have been myself.

Plus they're biased for all the reasons we thrashed out upthread.

No point in discussion starling if you’re yet another poster who wants to tell others what they think.

It’s not about telling you what you’re allowed to think, you can think what you like and obviously do. It’s the thinly veiled contempt for the McCanns that is grating.

Exactly Cole.

It’s theoretical discussion about a total and utter mystery.

I don't think detached consideration is "contempt" @GreatDuckCookery

Detached consideration?
Rightio.

A bit of detached consideration from the professionals earlier on might have brought a different outcome.

But obviously applying logic is double plus ungood in your book @GreatDuckCookery 🤷🏻‍♀️

Are you just here for the gratuitous emoting, then?

No I’ve been reading and posting for most of the thread.

Yes but you seem to be objecting to posters dispassionately weighing up the possibilities.

Once or twice I have spotted a child momentarily lost and held their hand and stood still and waited a moment or two. You always spot a frantic parent very quickly.

There was no frantic parent to spot. They'd both fucked off for tapas.

What I'm saying is that if a child innocently wanders off they are highly unlikely to by chance be found by a paedo and much more likely to run into someone who helps return them within 5 minutes.

Yes, the chances of her being taken by a paedophile are low. But then, the chances of someone breaking into the apartment and abducting her are equally low.

If she drowned her body would have washed up somewhere.

Not necessarily.

There was an attempted abduction of a little girl who looks like Maddie, 3 months beforehand in Portugal.

I simply don't believe well-educated, middle class parents would deny their daughter a decent burial because they were scared of the repercussions of an accident. They'd expect the establishment to be on their side.

I don't understand what you mean here. Do you think uneducated, working class parents would deny their daughter a decent burial?

At the risk of being deleted, I'm interested to know how those who KNOW the parents weren't involved in their daughter's disappearance know that?

Is it because parents don't generally harm their children?

It didn't cross my mind that they might be either until the HEAD of the investigation, who is more qualified that most of us and had a good reputation (as did the Portuguese police force in general) iirc until he got involved with this case, insisted they were and put himself in the firing line to publicise his conclusion.

Nobody knows. But I have already explained on the thread why I don't think they are involved.

At the risk of being deleted, I'm interested to know how those who KNOW the parents weren't involved in their daughter's disappearance know that?

I'm not one of the posters claiming to know anything, but TBF K&G are pretty well alibied and have other circumstantial evidence in their favour.

I doubt they committed any serious crime.

MadMum- interesting post 15:23.

My thoughts ....I suspect the psychology behind it is that sometimes people feel more comfortable ‘knowing’ something than admitting that there are things we don’t have answers for.

To be honest, anyone taking either extreme of ‘knowing’ is adopting the same stance, just drawing a different conclusion.

On one extreme if you say you ‘know’ the parents weren’t involved, it’s perhaps because simple psychology tells us it’s just too horrible to contemplate parents harming their own child and then concocting a huge cover up.

On the other extreme, if you say you ‘know’ the parents were involved, then it’s perhaps because simple psychology tells us it’s horrible to contemplate that a small child could be snatched or wander out and be killed in an accident.

Maybe it’s an instinctive human way of trying to protect oneself from acknowledging the bad stuff that goes on in the world?

But of course, rationally, in the light of no evidence, any of the above bad things are possibilities. Which is why the logical thing is to admit none of us know.

No none of us know. And children are most at risk of harm from their own parents.
But in this case, all the evidence points away from the parents involvement.