24 Hours in Police Custody

[Ginger1982]

Anyone watching the new series?

Oh I really like him. He's been good in it before when his colleague was the subject of the opener in the last series. It's the nature of the job to be like he is, it didn't come across as odd to me.

Just going back to last weeks cases, the two rapists, the taxi driver and the 25 year old.
Whilst being interviewed, the 15 year old laughed and was then taken out the room by his solicitor. He then came in the room with a prepared statement, accusing the victim of being a sex worker!
It was obvious that the solicitor came up with this story. Is this legal? How can you make up a complete lie for your defendant, to tarnish someone’s character.?
Would it be classed as perverting course of justice? The solicitor would ideally be struck off and charged themselves. I know if I lied for someone during a police interview, it could be classed at perverting course of justice.
The poor victim was accused of being a sex worker. Can she sue anyone in light of this?
People sue newspapers for lies.

It might seem a bit dubious but I doubt the solicitor told him what to say. I'm one and you'd be amazed the amount of absolute bollocks people come up with before, during and after interviews and at other points in a criminal case. Sometimes you have to just go, 'ok then...'

There's no proof that the solicitor came up with it, the dad could just as easily told him what to say.
Even if the CID bloke was snowed under it's no excuse, there was evidence of a crime being committed, he doesn't get to ignore it or pass the buck to someone that doesn't have the skill set to deal with it. His excuse was pathetic, "we don't know where it came from" about the cash. There's a large quantity of drugs, tens of thousands in cash, expensive cars and goods, and they don't work; it's not exactly hard to join the bloody dots.

qaz he knew full well but that was his way of telling her to keep plugging away and gather more evidence so it could stand up in court. She was capable, he knew she was.

I think it was really obvious she wasn't a police officer. She seemed woefully under trained and even managed to get the caution wrong at one point. Her interviewing skills were negligible and it is a pretty sad indictment of the police that we now have administrators essentially doing the work that should be being done by trained officers. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a level of resentment amongst SOME officers that these investigators who are essentially officers on the cheap are being given work to do that they are not capable of doing and then they ask the real police officers to come and help them out. That is a dynmaic I would accept to be being played out. It is happening all over the public services e.g. in schools HLTAs being asked to teach classes but then endlessly asking the actual teachers for support and help as they are being asked to do something they have not really been trained for. Not the fault of the Investigators or the lower ranking officers but instead down to decision making by those at the top who are dumbing down yet another public service.

I thought she was outstanding. Nerves of steel, indifferent and professional whilst conducting interviews and got a good result. Amazing woman, deserves a medal doing what she does day in day out.

So interesting to see how differently people see things. To me she came across as nervous and out of her depth and lacking any real skillset. Hideous job though and thank goodness people are prepared to do it.

lemonsandlimes123. I was of the same opinion as you which is what raised my suspicions. Out off her depth. But yes a difficult job and not a reflection on her, I'm sure she was doing it to the best of her ability and training.

Lacking any real skill set? It is interesting how we perceive things differently. There is no officer resentment, just respect for a tough job well done.

Investigating officers aren’t necessarily warranted police officer, as she clearly wasn’t. Civilian roles have increased in the police service, I would have expected a specialist team of Police officers to be investigating digital child abuse crimes.. child porn is a horrible phrase, I’m ashamed to say I have used that term myself.
She was however great at her job. I couldn’t be paid enough to do it myself.

Can anyone explain to me why in this weeks episode the first guy who got arrested has his face blurred out yet the other two guys who got arrested didn't.

They all got found guilty in the end so not sure why the first guy had his identity kept private.

Probably to protect the ID of his children?

I think personally that if someone is convicted of watching/ distributing child abuse images, then apart from their punishment set by the Courts, the immediate family should be informed.
It’s unfair that the first man was blurred out. It’s completely possible that his wife/ partner is completely unaware of what he was doing. He probably gave a bullshit story on returning from the Police station. He could have children living with him FFS!
Ideally someone from the Police would explain to he partner the vile and disgusting videos that was being watched.
I’d be surprised that any rational/ normal thinking woman would feel comfortable living with a man who enjoyed seeing toddlers being sexually abused on the internet.

She'll have been told straight away, Jedi and SS involved.

Do you think so sagrad? What makes you so sure?

I known of many a case where this has happened, if the children are young the charged will have to leave the family home and the mother will have to agree to safeguard the kids or face losing them essentially. A sad amount of partners will fight against it and those with teenaged children will find themselves living as a family unit just like before.
Whatever the outcome, the partners will always be told, in fact they are mostly there at arrest and find out that way and their computers and phones will be seized to be ruled out as well.

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The first man was arrested with his family there. He admitted it and quickly wanted to get out of his house. He told his wife/ partner that he was on a chat room and it turned out that it was a child. Obviously he had to make something up.Hence the police coming over.
My point is, that it’s possible that he might managed to convince his wife/ partner that he was just in a chat room and it was all perfectly innocent. She may still have no idea that he was heavily into watching child abuse videos. Unless she saw programme of course.
The fact he was given a suspended sentence also under values the seriousness of this horrible crime.

I love that all you lot are criticising the Male DC not taking the job on "not looking like he had much work on" etc etc. You lot have no idea of the work load and pressures police are under no idea. It's quite common to question someone when they come over to you trying to pass a job on. It may not even be your team dealing with it, your remit or maybe you just don't have the time in the day to add another complex job to the 25+ other ones sitting on your workfile. I work in police CID and it's a fucking thankless task so all you keyboard warriors don't critique the police....

Some partners are deluded enough to believe the crap these guys come out with but the reality is that the cases would never even make it as far as CPS without evidence which would all be put to the defendant in court. There are partners who choose to stick by the men even though the facts WILL always be laid out to them.

Yes, the sentencing is woeful.

The first man should have been bloody named and shamed on tv! He was guilty afterall. Only good thing is he would fail any DBS check, but unless his job needs one, then it wouldn’t really have much bearing on his life.

His kids might need protecting. He'll be subject to MAPPA meetings, Circles ect and be on the register. He might or might not have lost access to his kids ect. If he reoffends he'll probably end up in jail.

The footage of the stabbing are brutal. Especially in the shopping mall where the guy fell down and convulsed 😖

That mother of the boy who was just arrested, "He's not violent, he's just a child really." And thirty seconds prior he's seen calling the police "pricks" and threatening to "slap the smile off your face if you weren't wearing that badge". Yep sweet, innocent child 🤦🏻‍♀️

Says it all really.