24 Hours in Police Custody

[Ginger1982]

Anyone watching the new series?

Maybe I will. 🤔

All four were found guilty by joint enterprise I guess. Agree, one lad gone forever, four other lives wasted. Three of them will serve long minimum sentences.
The guy driving, Rees Bliss? I think he cooperated with the Police when he realised there was no way out. But he didn’t report the stabbing. He didn’t try to stop it. He was a part in the fatal stabbing.
That Rasheed guy just looks dangerous. Horrible attitude, just a vile person. I’m glad he’ll spend the majority of his youth in custody.
None of the four were upstanding citizens.

I felt the sentence for the driver was too long because he cooperated with the police. His lawyer just sat there and didn’t appear to advise him at all. He should have had the implications of joint enterprise explained at least. What will happen to him in prison and to his family at home? I dread to think. It was a tragic episode but sadly I think the way he was hung out to dry sends a message that not cooperating in any circumstances is safer.

Charlie he would have had a lengthy consultation with his solicitor before interview when he would have advised him. He obviously wanted to talk and tell the police something and he would have discussed this with his solicitor. During interview the solicitor isn't really allowed to intervene or advise otherwise we can stop it for a further consultation after all it's the suspects interview not the solicitors. I think he got man slaughter as he did talk and spoke about what he did and didn't do and that he was in the car etc. He wasn't 'directly' involved but he didn't prevent it or report it afterwards so would have been reckless and would have foreseen what would happen if someone goes at someone with a knife. This is what the cps and the jury would have to prove and the fact of him being there in and knowing what was happening and what the consequences would have been is what convicted him.

Is serving 5-6 years for knowingly taking a group of 3/4 others to stab 1 person really too harsh? He knew they all carried knives, he knew it was going to be at least 3 on one...

Is the person that delivers (so only does the driving part not an integral part of an abuse ring) a child to an abuser any less guilty? They knew the likelihood of having happening to the child.

I thought this was a very good episode to show youngsters who may decide to carry knives "just in case?"

I wonder if he'd have been set on if they hadn't seen the blade?

Not replying to questions in an interview is a basic right I wouldn't want to see changed however frustrating it must be for the police. Luckily cctv was there and you coukd plainly see what happened.

I wonder if they ever found out what went on with the first 3, that was awful too.

Time for knife amnesties everywhere.

Absolutely heartbreaking last night. The CCTV of the attack on Azaan made me feel physically sick. Such a tragic waste of lives His mother was also on a programme last week about the rate that these incidents are happening all over the country, it was presented by the boy/man who was with Stephen Lawrence when he was stabbed. They talked about 4 or 5 fairy recent murders that all happened for no reason or the victim was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Makes me wonder what kind of world I've brought my child in to. 😢

Time for knife amnesties everywhere.

I’d presumed that the police would only do these if they worked, but when I looked in to it I couldn’t find any evidence that they do.

Well surely getting rid of those machetes would gave to be a good thing?

Just what I thought, the fewer blades on the street, the better, right? But no evidence backs this up. Knives are plentiful out there for those who want them.

The best I found was a Scottish (I think) publication. That said that zero tolerance approaches don’t work. What needs addressing are the root causes and beliefs that lead to young men carrying in the first place.

The driver gave evidence against his co defendants. He was sentenced to 11 years for the lesser charge of manslaughter.
The other three were sentenced to life imprisonment, I think 16 years minimum and 18 years minimum.
The driver was given credit for his information.
Four horrible people are in prison. Sadly that doesn’t bring back the lad killed. The victim himself carried a knife( he ended up a tragic victim himself). Goes to show the consequences of carrying knives.

I was that episode last night utterly senseless it makes me fear for my son , such a tragic waste of life .

Watched this last night. The sentences for the group who didn’t actually do the stabbing did intially seem high but to be honest, something needs to be done to deter these kids from even wanting to be involved. It’s glamourised for them - being in a gang and carrying knives. It’s an epidemic. Where we live in south London, there’s a a stabbing three or four times a week. Heavy life changing sentences for just being part of the joint enterprise might make some kids think twice.

I feel so scared for my children - you can do everything “right” as a parent and keep them on the right track but they could still become the victim just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s horrendous. There is a guy on social medi who served a prison sentence as a young man for knife crime and he is pushing through a grass roots culture change to get through to these kids that so many lives, including their own, will be destroyed if they continue to view this gang culture as something to aspire to.

I thought the message was don’t cooperate with the police, sadly. Cooperating leaves you and your family at immense risk as a snitch and it is not worth a couple of years reduced sentence.

The comment about the Reece being "a child really" seemed to make some sense to me when he was being charged.
It seemed that he had a childlike notion that if he told the police what happened and that he didn't stab Azaan, it would be the end of it.
He didn't seem to get why he was charged and said something along the lines of "but I told them Everything that happened!"

Finding the interview incredibly painful.

asauv the one on now?

Wet isn’t he

Not sure why the police would allow this episode to be aired, it makes them look like total donkeys. So awkward.

Anyone watching tonight? I do feel sorry for the man who has been left to interview with no knowledge of the case.
I think it shows a probably true reflection of this man’s job. Poor sod. He’s quite nervy.

It's interesting they get landed at short notice. I don't know if he's nervous he says he enjoys it

It's so painful

I don’t know about good cop, bad cop, it’s more like ineffectual and mute!

It's not a great one tonight