Endeavour.... SPOILER ALERT

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Starting again tonight!
DO NOT like his moustache!! 🤔

Its made we want to watch Morse from the beginning again. I thought this episode was brilliant though. I do agree about not liking the moustache.

Is anyone else finding the storyline with DCI Box and his sidekick tedious? It's still mainly Morse and Thursday, with the other two popping up to say/do something obnoxious and then they go away.

I don't know if this sort of thing - demotions and re-deployments - really did happen when forces were re-organised, and didn't Thursday get demoted after the death of George or am I imagining it, but it still all feels very stuck on for the sake of it to me.

I think you can see more of Old Morse in Young Morse now than in the earlier seasons.

I really think that Young Strange is growing convincingly into Old Strange though.

That little exchange between Bright and Thursday by the vending machines fair brought a year to my eye.

I think they are building up to something with DCI Box and sidekick.. Morse put his foot in it when he suggested their way of dealing with cases was to fit up the most convenient local criminal.
The local drugs problem has been alluded to as well.
Nothing in the script is irrelevant or superfluous.

I'm assuming that there is a point to Box too, but right now it seems to be just muddying the water.

I find the more yobbish police culture a bit of an unnecessary distraction. Would an almost retired Thursday really have had a go? Interesting that Shaun Evans directed despite having previously claimed never to have watched the original Morse series, yet the foundations to John Thaw's character were so clearly there. Loved the Thunderbirds plotline. Was confused how the psychiatrist bloke's car key was in the dead man's pocket but he still drove it home from the party.

I find the more yobbish police culture a bit of an unnecessary distraction. I suppose the series are following the times though and late 60s and 70s were the time renowned for police corruption weren't they? So there is a need to reflect that in the storylines.

Yy police corruption was rife in late 60’s/70’s I think Strange is working on corruption/drugs , as Morse has cottoned onto his new ‘streering committee stuff’ is a ruse & Nero was mentioned last night, which I think is the bloke who was involved with drugs/fancy’s death.
Also yes young Strange/Morse & the pathologist, you can see more clearly how they were in later years, especially when Endeavour does the rubbing of back of head/neck with his hand, Morse used to do it a lot.

Shaun Evans directed this episode, he's a talented man.

Also apparently brilliant at the switch from his natural happy Scouse to Morse and his mannerisms.

I really loved last night’s episode, especially the Thunderbirds puppets and how he’s becoming more like the older Morse. Was Hilde the same woman that was the receptionist in the Travel Tavern in Alan Partridge?

Probably way off-mark here (I hope!) but am wondering if Joan is going to end up marrying Strange? Just a few hints that he is looking out for her this series and I wonder if she gets fed up waiting for Morse to make a move... however unlikely a pair she and Starnge make.

Somebody up thread spoke about possibly finding out this series what major incident happened to make the later Morse as irascible as he was and that set me wondering if this was it. I am wracking my brain to think of any mention in Inspector Morse of a Mrs Strange, but can only recall that the Strange/Morse relationship was portrayed as long-standing but pretty grumpy on both sides, without the warmth there is in Endeavour. Of course, that could be down to their different career progressions, with Strange playing by the (Masonic) rules and rising through the ranks and Morse the more talented, but always on the outside?

Joan does seem to have got herself promoted and respectable pretty quickly.

More Led Zep to start with!

So Fred's wife is hacked off with his losing their savings and Fred's inability to retire.
She has started dressing better and going out.
When Fred came home early, the record player was half way though an LP with no one in evidence downstairs.
Anyone else wondering what may have been occurring upstairs?
(Or am I writing my own scripts - like I do with the Archers?)

@rslsys I wondered about that, were we supposed to think she was upstairs with someone?

Yy, I was thinking the same, poor Fred he seems so sad at the moment.

We wondered why the children were taken into care when their parents had done nothing? Other than argue. And play away...

Is concealing a death not a crime? That, added to the children running away, might lead to temporary foster care?

I'd have thought perverting the course of justice and accessory to mirder after the fact possible too plus probably a ton that non police folk have never heard of there's TONS of laws

"were we supposed to think she was upstairs with someone?"

That seemed to be the idea, didn't it?

But she wouldn't, would she?

Hopefully just listening to music whilst upstairs & not coming to greet Fred as she would have done before?
Isn't she also working now?

I thought the music playing downstairs and no sign of Fred's wife was an invitation for him to go upstairs...Or that she was going to come down in a seductive negligee.

I just rewatched an episode (the stocking strangler one) in which Fred's former 'amour' from Italy featured. Are we supposed to assume that he had a relationship when over there (during the war) while Mrs Thursday was back at home? They were celebrating their 25 wedding anniversary in the same story which suggests that they must have been married during WW2?

I didn’t understand why the kids were put into care either.
The sad thing about the series is that you can tell it’s getting ever closer to the 80s, a natural end point presumably :(

If they continue with the 33 episodes pattern (as with Morse and Lewis), presumably the end of Endeavour isn't that far off (although I would have thought they might want to round it up to 100)? Anyone know how many episodes there have been so far?

Loving Anton Lesser again!

The jaguar has made an appearance (albeit fleeting) now, hasn't it?