Lassies of Fraser's Ridge - Outlander Season 4, there's spoilers in them thar hills.

[Lessstressedhemum]

A new adventure awaits us in the New World. It's going to be savage!

[DryWhiteagainW]

Like “twally” too....will use that

[BreakfastAtSquiffanys]

I gave up with the books half way through the second one, so don't have the same feeling of "Brianna is a pain in the arse" that some of have read the books may have. So I'm quite sympathetic towards her, so Roger being an utter twat re the proposal means he's on the Naughty Step now.
I understand that he's got a Church upbringing, but use yer heid man! Propose if you want but I'd wait until she says yes before you mention the 4 or 5 Wee McKenzies you want!

[quirkychick]

Breakfast I really enjoyed the books, but completely get why someone would get fed up. On one hand there is a roller coaster of excitement as they go from one crisis to another, on the other hand I am aware that, as a reader I am being manipulated by the constant dramas and will they, won't they... they also need a really good editing.

I'm beginning to like screen Brianna more than book Brianna. I think in the books, Jamie and Claire are very well realised, but quite a lot of the supporting characters need fleshing out a bit. If Brianna's storyline is to garner our sympathies, we need to not be so irritated by her as a character. It will be interesting to see how they play out the Roger and Brianna relationship, it's lots of crossed wires, at the moment.

[Florabella]

Why is episode 4 not released until tomorrow? There goes my Monday night treat 😥

[Myfanwyprice]

It’s on Amazon Prime, I’m watching it now!

[Florabella]

Oh, I looked on the computer and it had tomorrow's date, but just checked tv and it's there - phew- evening not ruined after all!

[Lessstressedhemum]

loved this episode. The bear bit was much more believable than in the book.

[WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit]

The bear bit was much more believable than in the book Aww I wanted to see the old, manly, can do anything, invincible Jamie from the books who could kill a bear singlehandedly with just a picnic fork and immediately make all the Indians love him.

[BreakfastAtSquiffanys]

How come Claire was all "oh no I couldn't own slaves" despite the fact that she and Jamie had the option of treating those slaves well, but she's perfectly OK with taking ownership of 100,000 acres of North Carolina land, knowing full well that it is ancestral lands of Native Americans who will be displaced?

[crumpet]

I loved this episode too. I think I am a bit of an uncritical sap when it comes to Outlander - even the crap episodes (the trepanning episode stands out) don’t seen to dent my enjoyment of this world. So far this season each episode has been better than the last, but I appreciate the earlier ones as a necessary to establish where they are now. Still sorry that there is no kilt, and missed the shock at Claire’s breech wearing. It would have been nice to have spent longer at River Run too. I’m really looking forward to seeing the completed cabin though, and the bear substitution was an excellent idea - much more realistic than a rubbishy cgi version would have been. Loved all the Indian costumes, which were fantastic.

[quirkychick]

I really loved this too. I liked the bear, and the surgery for John Quincy Myers was so much more believable than the books, isn't it on the table at River Run? In the books, doesn't Claire make her own breeches to go into the mountains, as she doesn't want to ride on such dangerous pathways in all those skirts, irrc.I liked the woo message for Claire, nicely juxtaposed with Roger finding the obituary.

Breakfast aren't the Native Americans (is that the right term) already displaced? I thought Jamie said they had crossed the boundary. I think Claire later gives them a warning, to stop so many being killed later so they would escape the trail of tears.

[BloodyBing]

I feel that I'm just waiting till Brianna goes back. I'm not fully invested yet. I'm a bit "meh" so far.

And I binged watched all the other seasons in one go and enjoyed them. Maybe I don't like the waiting full stop.

[pisspawpatrol]

I really enjoyed this week's episode. The bear story seemed more sensible than the book version, but I was looking forward to seeing Jamie half naked and wrestling with a bear so mildly disappointed. The cabin wasn't how I imagined in the book, I don't know why but I always envision the houses in more open meadowland than woodland; something like the grouse moors in scotland maybe.

I'm looking forward to next week now, I think we'll be seeing Bree travelling.

[JennyfromtheBroch]

I liked it, although I'd happily watch the Jamie and Claire show for fifty minutes each week. Jamie carrying Claire over the threshold gave me heart eyes

Also loved Claire's breeks + man shirt + knitwear combo.

I usually like Young Ian but felt he went back to wide-eyed stage-school acting in this epi.

I have a really minor gripe- does the 'forest' look really park-like to anyone else? From some angles they seem in the wilderness and at others you half expect the swings and the roundabout to be in sight. I know that's probably for practical reasons

[Holidayshopping]

I liked it, although I'd happily watch the Jamie and Claire show for fifty minutes each week.

Me too!

That’s what I loved about the later books tbh-just them two pottering along together at the Ridge. Perfect :)

[blibblibs]

This is the first episode I think I might have to watch again.
Really enjoyed it and I think they managed to pull off the bear storyline as well as they could.
It's just going to get better from here on in I think and I can't wait for the cabin to be done, although DH thought it was a tad on the small side!

[DryWhiteagainW]

Agree with you all. Felt very glowy and warm inside after this one. Loved it xx

[LonelyOversharer]

Phew...and we're back! This was a reslly good epusode. Do you think the first 3 (with so much book to cover) seemed bonjers as they could only really do the super exciting memorable bits still pleased we missed checking the dead slave burnnpit for Ian ?

Looking forward to Bree going through.

[Lessstressedhemum]

Don't get me wrong, I would have far rather Jamie had been half naked and manly while wrestling. Who wouldn't, really. But the whole idea of wrestling a huge, hairy bear with just your dirk is ridiculous. I think the writers did a good job of making it believable and of allowing the relationship with the Native Americans to develop.
It's always somewhat amazed me that Jamie and Claire were able to establish a relationship with the Tuscarora so easily in the books when they were, essentially, stealing their land and forcing them off it.

It was nice to see them more relaxed, wasn't it. Smiling, laughing, touching one another and the carrying over the threshold was swoon-worthy.

Quirky, Bree tells Jamie about the Trail of Tears and he warns Bird before he declares as a rebel and has to stop being an Indian Agent. The whole displacing the Native American thing revolts me, especially in light of Claire's future knowledge and \Jamie's experiences in Scotland. It's a wee bit of doublethink.

Bree and Roger are still burning my biscuits. He is like a lost puppy. I think that I must be the only person in the world who isn't looking forward to them travelling back. Although, I do want to see what they do with the whole Roger storyline and with Brianna and Stephen Bonnet. Also, I really like Lizzie Wemys, she develops into a really good character.

[Holidayshopping]

I wonder how they’ll do the Jamie/Bree meeting scene? Will Jamie be pissing up a tree and then tell her she’s huge?!

I like SS-I actually think she’s a good Bree, but huge she is not!

[quirkychick]

Thanks Lessstressed I thought it was Claire. I knew someone revealed it to the Native Americans, to try to help them, as I had to look up the trail of tears at the time. The owning slaves of dispossessing the Indians are both a hard call. At least, DG is not whitewashing early American history (not that British history is any better).

I'm interested in how the Roger/Brianna thing will play out, as Roger is not witholding the information from Brianna, but he has already behaved badly...

[pisspawpatrol]

I wonder whether some of the lack of moral worrying from Claire about the native Americans is to do with a possible difference in attitude to the situations between owning slaves and being part of a conquering 'force' (so to speak) and taking land over. I think perhaps DG doesn't see the irony in the similarities between the highland clearances and the taking of native land, because she never mentions it.

[BreakfastAtSquiffanys]

We also have to remember that Claire is a product of 1950s and 60s America, when consideration of the rights of Native Americans was in its infancy.

[pisspawpatrol]

I find it all a bit 'I can't be racist, I have a black friend'. If Claire (or DG?) had Native American friends would there have been more sensitivity in the series about it?

[Lessstressedhemum]

I really don't think she sees the similarities at all, paw. Surely, if she did, she would have made J a bit ore sensitive to the subject. Although he is definitely not a British sympathiser in other ways.