Making a murderer

[dragonflyinn10]

For those who watched making a murderer part 2 is on Netflix now x

Ken krantz is awful. I remember going away from the first series thinking Brendan was obviously innocent and Steven had definitely been set up but may have actually done it anyway ( if that makes sense.) Now convinced he's innocent too.

How can the blame be pointed at anyone but the man who:

1. Has viewed thousands of pornographic images including: ‘dead girls’ ‘girls with knife cut throat’ ‘deal girls bones showing’ and child pornography plus bestiality.

1. Was the last person who admits to seeing her alive.

1. Changed his story about being the last person to see her alive in order to act as star witness for the prosecution.

1. Has his own brother providing an affidavit confirming he lied.

1. Held guns in his bedroom, not far from the window he watched the victim from.

I think if Steven was 'set up' with so many people involved and the attention the case has got then someone would have 'leaked' something anonymously.

owllo are you referring to Steven or Bobby?

Bonfire unless the only people who have evidence of the set up would do life for coming forward.

Bobby. There’s no evidence of Steven accessing such images and Bobby told officers and his family that he saw TH leave Steven’s home.

Comealongpond89

I don't like Scott at all.

I should say that I don't trust Scott.

Nobody involved in the cover up is going to talk because:
they would get in trouble themselves
they are scared of what the others involved would do to them
they think that Stephen Avery had it coming/ probably did it anyway
I also get the feeling that the family is pretty much bottom of the social pile and therefore disposable.
or combination of the above.

I think whoever gets/got this case now from the prosecution side can't back down, that it's gone too far for that and that they feel they have to continue and try and push their way through it. In fairness it's working out for them so far. Brendan is now out of options and won't be released until 2048 and his seemed to be the legally stronger case.

I was in love with Jerry Buting in the first series and am disappointed he's not really in the second one.

Kathleen just ain't the same!

The most shocking thing about it for me is the ridiculous nature of the legal system over there. Kathleen has totally pulled the whole case apart but nobody seems to actually care. Really bizarre.

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And you know why?

The Avery's and Daseys's of this world as from the wrong side of the tracks, so people give less of a shit. In fact they give no shits.

They were both profiled and convicted wrongly and still no one cares!

The interview with the former coroner was shocking (last episode).

What I always wonder about is that the clocks went back the day of the murder. I wonder if witness times / alibis went to pot because of that.

Netflix are suggesting "lessons from a school shooting, notes from Dunblane". Are they trying to turn me into a gibbering wreck?

When I watched the first series I wasn't completely sure that Avery was innocent but since watching the second series that has changed ,
My theory is:
Bobby killed Teresa and Scott knows about it, which is why they testified against Avery in court. Ryan (the ex boyfriend) got hold of Teresa's planner because he assisted the police to move the car into the averys.
I think the police did genuinely believe Steve did commit the murder and this was confirmed when they found his blood in her car which I believe bobby planted. They also probably convinced Ryan that Steve was 100 percent the killer.
The police probably knew what Bobby was searching for online and used it against him to testify in court hence why no action has been taken against him for looking at the sick stuff.
They used Brendan just to convict Steve.
Unsure about who planted the bones though?
Steve didn't really stand a chance with so many people setting him up.
Also Kathleen is amazing 

Binged the whole second series last night (shattered today), unbelievable! The fact that Kathleen could find so much dodgy evidence in the case, how was none of this questioned at the time? The DNA Evidence seems especially suspect.

When I watched the first series I thought the ex boyfriend was a possible suspect but can’t remember now what put me against him...

I haven’t finished season 2 yet but this thought plays on my mind...

Even if Brendan didn’t do anything (and I don’t believe he was involved tbh) - that’s a pretty violent and vivid imagination he has there of how to rape and kill a woman. Would he actually be a danger - even if innocent of this crime?

InglouriousBasterd I’m not sure. I think even young children can think of a gross way to kill someone. Mostly them thinking in a cartoon way. I don’t think it makes them evil just they pick things up or reference what they see on tv. He was much older so may have seen a horror or two.

Maybe he seen the computer stuff?

Yes, perhaps Bobby had shown him some of the images. Don’t forget, his family hunt so he will have witnessed dismemberment first hand many times. Then there’s the major fact that he’s fed the vast majority of the detail by the interviewing officers.

What are your thoughts on the ‘sikikey’ letter?

What’s that letter? I've not seen it before.

Can you keep appealing the Supreme Courts final decision ? Why won't they hear Kathleen's new evidence I tell you what god forbid you do anything wrong in America!! Is the Supreme Court our equivalent of our European law court ??

At the very least I would say series 2 proves there is no way that Theresa was murdered in the way that the prosecution say she was. My main reason for thinking SA and BD likely innocent after series 1 was that I couldn't see how they would have been able to clean the garage and trailer well enough to not leave a single piece of DNA evidence. However, I had a slight niggle and remember thinking it possible that Brendan had seen something (possibly the body being burnt?)...can't quite remember what made me think this though???
But, after series 2, I am convinced they are both innocent! And I am totally in love with Kathleen Zellner: she is awesome!

Ds1 is really interested in the bits and pieces he caught whilst I was watching it and I think he’d like to watch it from the beginning so I might rewatch it all with him. Will help me remember my thoughts from the first time around. I remember being gobsmacked that they were found guilty because I didn’t know of the story in real life.

Georgie here is a link to a discussion on it.

If you google it you’ll get lots of information on how it came about, just in case it’s not included in the discussion in the link:

www.reddit.com/r/TickTockManitowoc/comments/8xmp55/i_know_the_sikikey_letter_has_been_discussed_to/