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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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Datun · 11/11/2018 11:24

It's also difficult to believe that anyone who comes across as so jarringly out of kilter with women on an anonymous Internet forum, won't be doing it in real life.

Especially talking about soaking white dresses with blood, stripping off in communal changing rooms, judging other women, saying you look 10 years younger in the same breath as saying you have to wear tons of make up.

Datun · 11/11/2018 11:26

jane there are 6500 genetic differences between men and women.

One of the reasons men fail to walk like women is because their pelvis is shaped differently.

Janekent3 · 11/11/2018 11:28

Right, OK, we are all going around in circles now and I have expressed all the feelings, emotions, and facts about me that I can.

No one has all the answers, but as time goes on more will be learnt.

It has been a useful experience. Signing off for the last time as enough has been said.

Good bye and all the best to EVERYONE on the MN.

FekkoThePenguin · 11/11/2018 11:29

I await archeologists getting canned for determining the sex of a skeleton by its pelvis.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 11:30

Women smell different, and biologically, women have been proven empirically to have a stronger sense of smell. Probably some interesting evopsych type theory as to why.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 11:31

Let me guess though Jane, your magical hormonal meds have affected both of those Hmm

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 11:33

The pelvis difference causes a difference in angle in the femoral head - men's femurs go straight down and women's at an angle. Imitation cannot fake that.

PerverseConverse · 11/11/2018 11:35

"Right, OK, we are all going around in circles now and I have expressed all the feelings, emotions, and facts about me that I can.
*
No one has all the answers, but as time goes on more will be learnt.

It has been a useful experience. Signing off for the last time as enough has been said.

Good bye and all the best to EVERYONE on the MN*."

Translation: everybody knows I'm talking shite so I'm off to have a tantrum and sulk then come back later, possibly under Jane4, as I need to constant attention that everyone has been giving me even though they are really mean.

Blah.

Fairenuff · 11/11/2018 11:36

You will be mirroring those traits but women will still notice. They won't say anything, why would they. Unless you ask them and then they will say they didn't notice because there's no point in hurting your feelings. They let you live the delusion. None of this is meant to belittle you or any other transwoman, it's just a fact. We do talk to each other about these things you know.

What might make it easier for you is to understand that you know you are a transwoman, we know you are a transwoman. But when you start saying you are exactly the same as a woman we know you know we know. You just don't know we know you know we know.

Girlfrommars11 · 11/11/2018 11:36

My process" has included teaching on posture, gestures, body movement and speech, etc

I heard this before and I always think it disproves the TWAW rhetoric. If you are a woman in the inside you'd only need to change your body. The rest, talk, speech pattern, how you carry yourself, body language - that would all already be there because you are a woman.

If you need training for everything, then your not a woman, your just a man acting.

BeyondVicious · 11/11/2018 11:41

Very good point girlfrommars - if you have a 'girl brain' and it is purely a mental thing to change those behaviours (and not the biological reality of a male pelvis for eg...) then surely it's all already coded somewhere in your lady-frontal-lobe?

PencilsInSpace · 11/11/2018 11:49

it has become a habit on here as so many have not got the message I am a woman

Have you tried saying it one more time so it ?

Datun · 11/11/2018 12:00

And this is why women are being forced into saying no, you're not, no you're NOT.

It's a vastly frustrating position to be forced to take. Especially as we're then instantly denounced as being mean.

Italiangreyhound · 11/11/2018 12:46

Anyone thinking "An over 65 grandmother figure attracting a 35 year old man? Yeah right."

Might like to watch ...

www.channel5.com/show/shes-78-hes-39-age-gap-love/

Italiangreyhound · 11/11/2018 12:55

TattiusTeddius "Oh come on Italian you know as well as I do what I meant, how Jane worded it shows what Jane thinks of women"

No, actually, I don't think Jane meant it like that. There is a solid determination here by some to take most things as the worst version of what they could be.

I would consider myself very gender critical. However, living with family members and friend's kids presenting as trans has certainly made me want to find sympathy and empathy for those suffering with gender dysphoria.

I don't believe anyone can change sex but I do respect the rights of adults to present how they wish.

Jane is clearly struggling with many issues and keeps coming back here despite getting a massive fucking hammering. So no, I don't assume the worst of every sentence she writes.

Believe me, don't believe me, as you like but I want to acknowledge what I am reading in these posts.

Flowers
Italiangreyhound · 11/11/2018 13:08

likewise Datun I do agree with you

"And this is why women are being forced into saying no, you're not, no you're NOT.

It's a vastly frustrating position to be forced to take. Especially as we're then instantly denounced as being mean."

There needs to be more diagloge which is not simply forcing the other side to agree or be put in the position of disagreeing constantly.

I'm still looking for that f-ing middle ground!

Flowers
PerverseConverse · 11/11/2018 15:05

I think it's impossible to find a middle ground when those like Jane show such massively entitled attitudes and male privilege whilst saying they have suffered dreadfully so know what it's like to be a woman. The reply to Penny was simply abhorrent. Jane has my sympathies for the child they were because I believe them very damaged but by perpetuating a delusion, they will never heal.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 11/11/2018 15:25

Fuck the niceties.

This makes me feel sick.

No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 11/11/2018 15:36

You do not know the half of it as I have seen it up close at hand as you never will! Believe me I have never belonged to that club!

But you know what it is to be a woman even though you were never raised as one? You do realise that socialisation is based on how you were treated by others based purely on the fact you are male?

Italiangreyhound · 11/11/2018 15:41

PerverseConverse I just can't give up looking for the middle ground. Sad

PennyArcade · 11/11/2018 15:42

A close friend of mine lost two still born daughters, so I can, yes just can, understand the trauma

No, Jane. You really can't.

I will not repeat everything I have stated over many threads now, but unlike you I did not find my true self until I transitioned. You had the loss of a baby; I "lost" 9 family members, including our 3 children, overnight who disowned me. My parents, who died over the last three years, both aged 88, never spoke to me again

You lost your family members because you made the decision to become a woman. That's very sad - but it is in no way comparable to having to deliver a healthy, growing, much wanted baby at 5 months fetal stage, because my female body - the bits that are meant to grow and deliver a healthy baby weren't working. My choice was to deliver the baby, knowing it had no chance of survival, to save myself or keep growing the baby to full term and we both die. I had two young children at the time, who needed me. Not much of a choice...

When a woman goes through a tragic event such as this they look to other women for support. Other women can not only sympathise but they can empathise. They may not have suffered this trauma but they know it could be a possibility for them and will know how it will feel if it happens to them. Not one of my women friends said, "Oh that's very sad. I lost my parent, grandparent, brother..." We all lose loved ones but it is in no way comparable to having to make the decision to terminate a baby's life to save your own. Only a woman would begin to understand.. Women with a womb, ovaries and cervix run the risk of cancer in these areas. Something you should be thanking your lucky stars you won't get, instead of the self pity you have shown because your lady bits are not the same as natal women's lady bits.

I appreciate things were very different back in the day and people who felt they didn't fit with the gender they were born into were given a hard time, as were people who were gay etc. Anyone who didn't fit societies "norms" were shunned. I get that. I really do. And I think you felt very strongly that you needed to be famale and went through years of pain and therapy to address this. I would prefer men who want to be women to go to these lengths. It sort of distinguishes the transwomen, that we know, from todays men who want to be women, sometimes. This is where the problem for women lies. If all men, wearing a dress or suit or jeans and t-shirt are allowed into women only spaces because they say they identify as a woman today, the safety of women and girls is greatly compromised. How does anyone know who holds a GRC and who are opportunistic perverts?

Today all children are encouraged to play football, dance, or do whatever they want to, regardless of their sex. Why is there any need for children to be given hormone blockers? There is no reason for anyone to change their outwards appearance. The UK is now inclusive of everyone. That doesn't mean we understand all the new terms around the various sexualities or gender differences.

But nobody is excluded because of societies norms now. Anyone can be who they want to be and do what they want to do. Gender is inclusive. Nobody is left out. I kind of understand an adult not feeling "adequate" unless they transition. But to hold back a child's puberty because a girl is experimenting with being a boy and vice versa is madness!

Anyway Jane ill leave it there now except to say posters are becoming angry with you because you keep trying to convince them you are a somehow superior woman, than natal women. Your overall tone suggests you are not a woman. Women can be bitchy , we all know that. Your tone isn't bitchy. It's hard, manipulative and angry. Much like a typical man when women don't bow down and give in to them.

I really can't see why you are claiming disibility allowance, when you are not disabled. You say you are happy with your new look - much better looking than some women (remember?) You have experienced trauma and mental health problems throughout your life. Haven't we all? No amount of money is going to sort your head out..

NopeNi · 11/11/2018 15:43

There is no middle ground.

There used to be one ("of course you're not a woman, but as long as you don't cross certain lines, we'll all happily pretend that you are").

But it's gone. Because we accepted that, we now have an increasing number of delusional men declaring that they are fully 100% female because they "feel like it", because they like girly stereotypes, they want lesbian sex and so on. They claim (as Jane does) that there's no difference between their daydreamy fetishisation of womanhood and what it really is. That their biology is identical. That they can have anything they want - women's bathrooms, gyms, sports, refuges, scholarships. And they're taking it, without giving a solitary tiny momentary shit about actual real life women.

There are no boundaries, there is no reality, and it's all about them. It's gaslighting 101.

So no, the middle ground no longer exists - and be careful, because you can't please them by trying to be nice to "both sides". You will drive yourself mad.

Only total capitulation will ever help, and even then the rules will change on you when you least expect it.

PennyArcade · 11/11/2018 15:48

NopeNi

👏👏👏

You said it much better than me ☺️

Italiangreyhound · 11/11/2018 16:20

NopeNi

"There is no middle ground.

There used to be one ("of course you're not a woman, but as long as you don't cross certain lines, we'll all happily pretend that you are")."

I do get it.

"....you can't please them by trying to be nice to "both sides". You will drive yourself mad."

I am not trying to please anyone. This is just how I am!

QuackPorridgeBacon · 11/11/2018 16:20

I will not repeat everything I have stated over many threads now, but unlike you I did not find my true self until I transitioned. You had the loss of a baby; I "lost" 9 family members, including our 3 children, overnight who disowned me. My parents, who died over the last three years, both aged 88, never spoke to me again.

Wow, playing top trumps with a woman who lost a baby. Disgusting.

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