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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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Laguda · 15/10/2018 14:22

I agree it seemed to be all about stereotypes. I worry about what advice these people are getting. Their kids just need to be told they're ok.

sydarthur · 15/10/2018 14:26

Sorry to hear that Melamim, I hope things improve.

I feel like a lot of problems are being created at the moment by woolly thinking. And I also worry people with real problems may got unnoticed in the malaise, or indeed that those problems have become real when they didn't need to be, because of the intense insular but not very critical thinking going on.

Fromage · 15/10/2018 16:03

Well I for one am looking forward to all the dramas that are going to be made exploring the experience of a class of 13yo girls who are forced to shower with a transgirl, the fights with her parents when she refuses to go to school, how she is branded transphobic and bullied, and has to change school.

And then there'll be a new Bend It Like Beckham only the girls get ditched from the team and lose their scholarships because a transgirl is better than them at football.

How about one where a girl works her arse off to get to a good university, gets a degree but has a second rate career because in order to fulfill gender quotas, transwomen are promoted over her, as they won't do anything inconvenient like get pregnant.

What about an inspirational drama about a woman who wants to change her community for the better, and goes for a place on an all-female shortlist, only it's not her that's selected, it's a transwoman, and all the great ideas she has to improve the lives of the women and children in her area will just never happen.

Or a terrified survivor of domestic violence, who is greeted at the shelter by a six foot hairy faced woman in a bad wig and a voice like Barry White. Should she run back to her former partner, who might her and her children, or should she stay, terrified and traumatised where she is and hope that the frightening woman at the front desk doesn't attack her? Oooh the suspense.

The80sweregreat · 15/10/2018 16:27

It was awful and I usually like Anna Friel, the husband's character was dreadful.

FekkoTheLawyer · 15/10/2018 16:28

I watched a film called 'Killer Mermaids' instead. I suspect it was more realistic.

The80sweregreat · 15/10/2018 17:12

It seemed as if the actors involved didn't want to do make it!
I know this is very topical at the moment ( and I do know a few people going through this with their children) but it felt a bit rushed and not very well written sad to say.

FekkoTheLawyer · 15/10/2018 17:19

Haven't heard any comaonsr of a non trans actor playing the kid. Amazing

GivenuponHumanity · 15/10/2018 17:21

Did I really just read that someones DD describes herself as asexual? This just shows the ridiculousness of the LGBT community in respect of misuse of language:

"Asexual reproduction only needs one parent, unlike sexual reproduction, which needs two parents. Since there is only one parent, there is no fusion of gametes and no mixing of genetic information. As a result, the offspring are genetically identical to the parent and to each other: in other words, they are clones."

Asexual relates to a species capable of cloning via a number of different methods i.e. binary fission in single cells organisms; budding in hydras; fragmentation in worms etc. To apply this biological term to humans is stupidity as we are not an asexual species. Yet another example of a biological term being hijacked and its meaning distorted.

Ariclock · 15/10/2018 17:24

I would definitely watch those films fromage.

Laguda · 15/10/2018 17:31

Yeah it does seem very topical but I don't think I learnt anything that didn't make me think it was just about families who don't like their kids not being a "normal" girly girl or tough boy or whatever and it's so everywhere I wonder if other kids are picking it up even if their families have better attitudes.

Squishmum · 15/10/2018 20:06

Anyone gonna watch the next episode? Don't think I can face it.

gutrotweins · 15/10/2018 20:53

Read good reviews on this in the paper this morning, so thought I'd give it a go.

Within 30 seconds, I'm watching a scene of a boy putting on pink lipstick and fondling his sparkly slide collection!

It seems simplistic to assume that the love of makeup, sparkles and high heels (and various other stereotypical things, mentioned in earlier posts) can make a boy believe that he's really a girl.
Look at it the other way - I've never been interested in makeup, sparkly stuff or high heels, and I've never, ever thought that I'm a man!

Anyway, I'm sure (well, I hope) that this programme has a far deeper message, but I'd need a lot of convincing before watching any more of it.

myusernameisnotmyusername · 15/10/2018 21:59

I turned it off after the dad hit his son for dancing to kylie in a pink sweater and black skirt. I couldn't stand to watch anymore.

HermioneWeasley · 15/10/2018 22:03

It’s fascinating that they have unwittingly written a drama that shows the inherent regressive stereotypes and homophobia of the movement, all the while following Mermaids advice.

It’s like E L James managed to write three boxes of text book abuse and coercive control, all the while thinking she was writing a steamy romance.

Rach114568 · 15/10/2018 23:32

But Maxine isn't gay she is transgender 🙄🙄🙄🙄

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/10/2018 23:44

Nobody is saying Max is gay, he has gender dysphoria.

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 11:42

Max is being bullied for being gay because he is demonstrating stereotypically 'feminine' interests.

In a context of homophobia (home and school), many children identify as being 'transgender'

NHS Tavistock describes how a high percentage of children who have gender identity issues are actualy gay / lesbian and or gender non-conforming. Those supported to explore their sexuality do not persist in medical interventions.

Affirmation and being put onto a medical pathway may well inhibit this reality for children.

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 11:44

apologies, I meant to say Max's bullies call him gay because he is demonstrating etc.

Being called 'gay' is still a very serious and prevalent bulling especially of gender non-conforming boys in schools.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/10/2018 12:10

It’s fascinating that they have unwittingly written a drama that shows the inherent regressive stereotypes and homophobia of the movement, all the while following Mermaids advice

Isn't it.

neveradullmoment99 · 16/10/2018 19:53

I refuse to watch this. It normalises this.

neveradullmoment99 · 16/10/2018 19:54

I like Anna Friel too. Feel its a shame she is starring in it.

differentnameforthis · 17/10/2018 10:21

@GivenuponHumanity

asexual
/eɪˈsɛkʃʊəl/
adjective
adjective: asexual

1.
without sexual feelings or associations.
"she wore a grey frock, discreet and asexual"
GivenuponHumanity · 17/10/2018 15:00

@differentname - urban dictionaries can twist any word to suit their agenda.

MakeAHouseAHome · 17/10/2018 20:32

Late to the party here but just caught up. It just angered me in so many ways. And with previous posters who are saying this should not be normalised.

StormCloudsDoClear · 17/10/2018 20:51

I thought the programme was absolute rubbish. Full of hype/stereotypes and worrying misinformation!

We were discussing it in a social group, and I said I don't understand why any boy who showed an interest in performing arts/makeup/ pink should be taken down the path of thinking he is a she.

If my son said to me "I like dancing and wearing pink, am I girl? I'd respond no darling your a boy that likes dancing and wearing pink, that's fine, don't worry"

If he showed a massive non stop interest in cross dressing, makeup and performing arts, I'd probably think to myself "oh ok he might be a drag queen" not oh he must be a girl deep down!

I think people are jumping the gun to transexual rather than possibly camp/ possibly gay or most probably just has a interest in those things for now! My son is 4 at age 3 he practicaly demanded a Sylvanian family of rabbits and their cottage...Christmas came he had his cottage and rabbits he loved them played with them for ages, he was happy. 3 months later he wanted a spider man action figure, not once did I think oh maybe he has gender dysphoria.