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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:02

Hyppolyta :
"I have used thousands of female chamging rooms and never once had a woman check my body out to compare us.
Who does that? Males.
Am I fuck stripping off so a male to validate himself.

Also, female genitalia is not an inverted cock. An inverted cock is a penis. Thats been inverted. Nothing female about that."

Oh really! Do you think I would only go to a changing room to validate my gender WHICH IS FEMALE??!!

I was just half heartedly describing how it make me feel better about my physical appearance; that is honesty, not any masculine trait!!

Once more my comments are exaggerated and twisted to justify your transphobia. So you have never been checked out by another women? How the hell do you know. Are you constantly watching for a women eyeing you up and down? How about the lesbians that are around us always?

You are worried about males in changing rooms? Well so am I!! I am also worried about lesbians being around me, but do I go on about that as I do not care! They, like me, have not got a penis so are no risk to me.

NopeNi · 10/11/2018 19:05

And now for some casual homophobia folks Grin

What's next on the MRA bingo card?

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:06

Janekent3
Why are you worried about lesbians being around you?

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:07

PerverseConverse :
"Jane, you might look like a woman, say you are a woman etc, but you can't hide your male socialisation. It comes out loud and clear in every post. You try and adopt a kindly older lady type persona but it's only skin deep and unfortunately most of us here have seen straight through it."

Male socialisation? What do you think that is?

You do not know the half of it as I have seen it up close at hand as you never will! Believe me I have never belonged to that club!

But, it is not just men who are over bearing and want to control women in everything they do! Have you never had a female boss who does all that and more? If not, lucky you!!

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:08

PerverseConverse:
"Janekent3
Why are you worried about lesbians being around you?"

I stated clearly I do not care about them at all. They never have worried me.

NopeNi · 10/11/2018 19:08

Ah! Insulting female bosses, that was the next one, of course Grin

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 10/11/2018 19:09

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 10/11/2018 19:10

Jane, speaking as a lesbian, I don't think you need to worry. We're female homosexuals (controversial as that statement might be nowadays).

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:10

NopeNi man transitions to be as far as possible female and has sex with men. Man who transitions fears lesbians. Nuts.

Hmmm so basically you're a homosexual male (biologically speaking you are male) because you are having sex with the same sex that you are biologically. How does that work?

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:12

No, it was a case way after that which made me sit up and listen and thank God I possessed a GRC.

I would be very surprised and interested if such a case existed. I would expect it to have been cited repeatedly during the past few months of debate - as it is, the case that is always cited is Croft v Royal Mail. I would also expect disability activists to have had a lot to say about any ruling that said a TW with no GRC must use the disabled toilet.

Not if the women(or man) has the correct genitalia for their legal gender i.e. has undergone full gender reassignment and possess a GRC. It is illegal to exclude me as that would be considered "unreasonable" in law, no matter what sub-sections people quote, and discriminatory as I am physically female.

As Datun has said, surgical status is not relevant.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:12

Janekent3 ok not fear but what do you mean by this:
"I am also worried about lesbians being around me, "

Hyppolyta · 10/11/2018 19:13

Jame there are many, many women on this thread who would have to leave a female space if you entered.

Does that bother you in the slightest?

You could have fought for spaces for transwomen but instead you just drive women away and steal their space.

That is male socialisation in action.

NopeNi · 10/11/2018 19:18

Yy, and don't forget, male socialisation INCLUDES men driving away men who are not "manly" away, it's the reason why boys get called gay/faggot etc for liking "girly" things.

Male socialisation has been a force upon you, Jane, your whole life - and it's shaped you. Not just the typical male attitudes you've displayed in this thread, but in the way that stereotypes are built and reinforced in your one head (eg "I liked nurturing a child" = "I was girly").

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:21

Your female brain is engaged with your female body with perfectly standard thoughts of a woman.

Please tell us more about these 'perfectly standard thoughts of a woman' Hmm

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:24

Do any females on this thread feel safe sharing a space with Jane?

Not me.

I found Jane's account of Jane's 'strangely therapeutic' experiences in communal changing rooms very disturbing.

I would have to leave.

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:27

I am also worried about lesbians being around me

Wow.

PennyArcade · 10/11/2018 19:29

Thank you for coming back to the thread Jane. Ill try to explain my questions, the best I can...Ill try my best to be brief (No promises).
Ok when I was around 4 or 5 I refused to wear my normal "girls" clothes. I know I did before this age, as I have pics of me in the usual girly attire.

Throughout my childhood I had friends, both boys and girls. I know that I spent most of my time with the boys as I preferred their methods of play and interaction. My dad was a carpenter. I spent lots of time working with him, creating things from wood, on various building sites. I had absolutely no interest in "girly" things.

Growing up I wore clothes and shoes the same as my male friends. My hair was cropped short. My parents wondered where they went wrong, but allowed me to be "me". I squatted over the toilet, rather than sat on it. I had a fantastic childhood, being "me". I wished and wanted to be a boy. I cant say I felt like a boy because, obviously, I didn't know how it "felt" to be a boy. But I really wished I was a boy. Swimming I took my top off because, you know, boys dont wear bikini tops. Nobody noticed. I told anyone, who didn't know me, that I was a boy. I was accepted as being a boy. Fast forward....

On my 16th birthday my dad bought me some heeled shoes. That was the worst moment of my life. I didn't know how to react - so I threw the shoes and had a tantrum (sad but true!).

Around this time I gave up on life (well humans anyway). I was, later, given a collie pup and I spent all my time with her, training her and really wanting to be a "farmer". I won the young "Shepherd of the year" competition. I really had given up on life with humans. My friends were changing. They had deep voices and were shaving. Suddenly I didn't belong in their group anymore. I was a disappointment to my parents.

Once I hit around 18/19 I saw my male friends as something other than just friends, and realised that I was a "girl who fancied blokes". Since that time I realised I am female. I still dont wear dresses. Very rarely I wear make up but I know I am female. I married and gave birth to 3 children. One I had to deliver, dead, before time as I had cancer of the womb and needed urgent treatment, including an emergency hysterectomy. That was the worst moment of my life.

I went on to adopt 2 children. Social Services, during my assessment, being what they are, wanted my life history - warts and all - I discussed my early years with them. They told me it is perfectly "normal" for children to want to be the opposite sex, as they try to make sense of this world. Too much info about that to share.

When I was 27 I was raped, on my way home from a hen party. That, for me, was the turning point. Never again did I want any part in any penis.

Throughout my life as a boy never did I consider wanting to pee in a men's public toilet.

I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense. I have tried to condense it. The main thing for me is if there had been a thing as puberty blockers at that time I would have been a perfect candidate for them. Since the age of 21 I have enjoyed being a wife and mother. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I dont need dresses and make up to feel female. Look around you....most women dont wear dresses and make up, unless some narcissistic bloke boss feels a woman is only beautiful if they wear pretty clothes and make up...Usually for office receptionists.

What exactly does it feel like to feel female? I am approaching 60 in a few years time. I have no idea what it feels like to feel female. What does being "female" feel like? Likewise, I have no idea what it feels like to feel male...Why would I?

One of the boys in my primary school only played with girls. He was accepted for himself. Us kids didn't expect anything else from him. He went on for gender realignment surgery in his 40's.

If you are still with me I just wonder now why any child would want hormone blockers or to become the opposite sex. If girls want to be builders now, they can. If boys want to be ballet dancers, they can.

Does it mean years of therapy, hormone blockers, surgery just to be "You"?

Also if women, and it sounds like people with disibilities, have to move over to accept women with penises into our personal spaces, how do we know who are genuine transwomen (I'm sorry if that's not an acceptable word these days. There are lots of dictionary changes, that I haven't got my head around), and those who are jumping on the "Trans ID" bandwagon to gain legal access to vulnerable women, children and people with disibilities.

Thank you if you got to the end of it...

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 10/11/2018 19:31

I am also worried about lesbians being around me

Wow.

Well yes...

I've hugged both Datun and Pencils in the past. Despite my scary lesbianness I don't think either of them was overly traumatised. Or were you secretly worrying, Pencils?

Grin
Datun · 10/11/2018 19:33

Are you constantly watching for a women eyeing you up and down? How about the lesbians that are around us always?

You are worried about males in changing rooms? Well so am I!! I am also worried about lesbians being around me,

All it needs is sunlight...

For anyone who knows a transwoman completely unlike this. This thread might help.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:34

! I am also worried about lesbians being around me

Im honestly admiring the confidence.....buuuuut as a woman i can tell you i have never ever worried about lesbians being around me

Although a friend did try and snog me, though she was half my size so i just worried about how to let her down

Bless her, wonder how she is doing, must have been very hard being a lesbian in a provincial town in the late 80's

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:37

I stated clearly I do not care about them at all. They never have worried me

You literally just said they worried you

Reread love...honestly, i really think it would help

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:38

empress has hugged absolutely everyone apart from me ...apparently Hmm

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:38

I was terrified Empress! I'm still deeply traumatised. The bill for my therapy is in the post to you as we speak Grin

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:41

EmpressAdultHumanFemale:
"It affects me by my constant need to be visually as female as possible; my hair and make up MUST be as perfect as I can get it as I fear that someone will clock my 'differences' with other women and I could come under physical and psychological attack

"Stripping off in communal women's changing rooms must be very uncomfortable then?"

No. That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic."

I realise that my above comments on changing rooms have been taken out of context with me answering the above post.

I am DEFINATELY not interested in female bodies, apart fro making mine as good as I can this late in life. I do not look at other women thank you, but in a crowded changing room you cannot help but noticing other women and their body shapes. That is when I can feel better about my body shape!

I really did not want to offend anyone with that explanation, but my words have again been taken out of context and twisted to the benefit of the transphobic agenda.

I really must stop these frank discussions as they are doing no good.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:43

@PennyArcade 💐 my MN flowers won't show up so hope my Apple ones do.