Butterfly ITV

[Melamin]

Anyone daring to watch?

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

Fucking hell... Jane I do actually sympathise with how hard life must have been for you.

But no you do NOT know what it was like for Penny.

You were fertile, and had children. No longer being their father was a choice you made. It is not comparible.

Fucking hell... Jane I do actually sympathise with how hard life must have been for you.

But no you do NOT know what it was like for Penny.

You were fertile, and had children. No longer being their father was a choice you made. It is not comparible.

So Jane thinks is normal and OK to judge and rate other women's bodies in changing rooms as long as your not sexually attracted to them.

I can honestly say I have never judged or rated other women's bodies in changing rooms. Other than occasional complementary thoughts. Maybe its because I wouldn't like to think women are rating me. I hope it's the same for most women, but clearly not for the ones AMAB. Oh and another woman's sexuality has never crossed my mind. I guess us bio women have a mutual respect for each other that can't be identified into.

Jane also found a woman to have her kids for her.

I wanted to give birth to my children but had to find a woman to do it for me.

What a disgusting way to refer to the mother of your children. Clearly she thinks women are just vessels for her to use.

Oh and she thinks not having female biology is the same as not being able to have kids even though she has three biological children. Then compared the loss of her relationship with her kids (due to her own actions) as the same as a child dying.

I'm litrially in shock and starting to disbelieve Jane is for real, maybe she's just on a wind up. She's been pretty inconsistent.

Did anyone see this? - Royal Navy named as a Top Employer for Women in The Times Top 50 list.

had to find a woman

Bleugh. 🤢

Thank you all for the flowers and acceptance. I didn't post for sympathy. I'm sure you know that but you obviously get where I'm coming from.

The latest post from Jane leaves me cold. I'll leave it there. Thank you for understanding my life. Posting, even though long and drawn out, has been very traumatic but very therapeutic. Thank you for listening and understanding ❤

PennyArcade I am so sorry for the loss of your baby and the trauma of giving birth to tgis baby, and for the rape and experience of dysphoria. I know you are not looking for sympathy, I just wa yes to say it.

💐 penny. Hit that imaginary block user button.

Sunlight is all it needs.

PennyArcade

The virtual block button is very useful. Can I suggest, in all sincerity, that you use it.

Indeed.

So, bump 🌞🌞🌞

Penny

penny

I'm not even sure what to say but I know a woman would never have said anything like that to another woman. The male ALWAYS shows through.

Jane, you have disgusted us on this thread a few times but you have shown yourself to be an utterly vile person now. No matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter what piece of paper you have to "prove" anything, nothing has shown us all what you are more clearly than your disgusting post to Penny. You are very clearly a male with deeply ingrained misogynistic beliefs based on your appallingly sexist and stereotyped upbringing. I pity you.

Jane I am really genuinely very sorry for your experiences and life.

Unfortunately, comparing your loss of relationship with your adult children to someone else's still birth is really unhelpful and shows a lack of understsnding, because I do not think it is a lack of compassion.

There are plenty of people who would feel massive compassion for all you have been through. Y

You do not need to compare what you have suffered to what other people have been through or what women posting her have experienced.

Sadly, I think you will find it hard to receive the sympathy that you deserve here because your posting style seems determined to compare your experience to the experiences of women on here. And it doesn't really work.

Much better to tell your own story in relation to you and not to other posters.

I mean this in the in the nicest possible way.

And I mean it because I think you do have somethong very relevant to share about the subject of 'Butterfly'.

PennyArcade I really wish more stories like your experience of dysphoria were available. A relative is now suffering with gender dysphoria, and the child of s dear friend. It is comforting to know that for some it does have an end point.

ItalianGreyhound you have been nothing but supportive on this thread. I sincerely hope your relative gets all the help they deserve before it's too late. (((Hugs))) to you both xx

Thank you PennyArcade. I am feeling more positive. I don't feel it is all down to me to convince this child which way is right! At first I did! I am a Mrs Fixit!

Obviously for my friend's child I don't get a say (rightly so) but with a beloved relative I do at least get some say.

But the child (teenager) is very much in the driving seat! Fortunately, sometimes, communication is good and I am just hoping all will be well.

That is the strange thing as then I am proving to the world (that is anyone watching) I have all the 'bits' of any women, and there I can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do!

This is the most mind-boggling thing to have written. Jesus Christ.

There is so, so much pressure on women to look a certain way. Every female is made aware if whether she is attractive or not from a young age. There are negative consequences to both being beautiful abd being considered ugly. And now we have to put up with men coming along and telling us that they are essentially better women than us.

No.

I'm litrially in shock and starting to disbelieve Jane is for real, maybe she's just on a wind up. She's been pretty inconsistent.

This or severe BPD/total lack of awareness of reality.

Sadly I’ve encountered Janes type people in real life. I’m not surprised at Jane’s latest contributions. This is somebody who claims that the hormones that Janeis taking has changed every cell in their body female and makes them 10 years younger.

James has said that they are over 65. The lack of self awareness demonstrated on this thread for a person that age is very very sad.

Tbh I've heard the same shit from alot of trans women. It's all about how sexually attractive they are, they also feel they are in competition with bio women. Note from her comments about having a working vagina. Don't know about you but mines for more than being poked.

What Jane doesn't understand is the reason she probably looks better than bio women of the same age is she has a biologically male body with perky fake tits. Mens bodies stay firmer with better tone until much later in life. Bio women of that age have mostly sacraficed their body to children, then lost tone due to the menopause and loss of natural hormones. Plus real tits succumb to gravity.

But I bet most men would still rather the bio women, lumps, bumps sag and all, because a male body with fake tits and an inverted penis is still biologically male, and no substitute for the real deal. And that's why trans women are so obsessed with how sexy they are and how much better they look than real women, because in reality they can't compete.

True - DH has no wobbly bits at all and great muscle definition. I'm like Mr blobby (and I'm younger). It's a man thing.

It's alarming that Jane insists she is a man and that it's "illegal" to say otherwise. No, it isn't.

Jane I would call you a man or believe you are a man, you are a trans woman. This is not the same as being a woman, you don't have the same body parts as us in any way shape or form but your Male socialisation comes through in every post - you are bullying women into submission, expecting obedience and then making threats when things don't go your way. You can take the dick off the Male...

And FWIW you probably haven't come across such "nastiness" and "hostility" (aka honesty and fight) from women IRL because WOMEN, not trans women or men, have been socialised to STFU, be polite and comply and make life easy for everyone