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Melamin · 14/10/2018 21:20

Anyone daring to watch? Glitterball

(Did it really have a mermaid in it?)

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:44

Let me help you jane

Good.... can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, It is strangely therapeutic

Bad.....can also appreciate woman come in all different shapes, sizes, and appearances, with me even looking better than some of them do! It is strangely therapeutic

See

Hyppolyta · 10/11/2018 19:45

Penny Flowers for you and your baby, that was a beautifully written post.

I dont remember ever wanting to be a boy but I hated the idea of growing into a woman. When puberty started I was terrified and hared it, Id have given anything to stop it.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:45

They havent been taken out of context at all

It was the wrong thing to say

Own it

Hyppolyta · 10/11/2018 19:46

That was supposed to be flowers, sorry!

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:48

Hyppolyta I can see them. I just can't post them. They show ip as I type but disappear once posted

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:49

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer:
"I stated clearly I do not care about them at all. They never have worried me

You literally just said they worried you

Reread love...honestly, i really think it would help"

Oh heck!!! I see what you mean!! No, thanks and sorry, I meant to say I am NOT worried about lesbians around me, or indeed gay men. I was so concentrating on saying I agreed with worrying about men being in our female changing rooms that my fingers on the keyboard went wrong!!

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 19:51

jane

Grin
Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 19:51

NopeNi :
And now for some casual homophobia folks grin

I have now realised what I put as I have explained above and would NEVER engage in homophobia!!

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 19:54

I meant to say I am NOT worried about lesbians around me, or indeed gay men.

Do you think women (old fashioned cunty sort) would be happy sharing communal changing rooms with gay men?

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:55

It's not an easy sentence to mix up though with the way you've said it, as the sentence structure and context is wrong combined with the rest of that paragraph.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 19:57

PencilsInSpace I personally wouldn't want ANY biological male of any sexual orientation to be in a changing room with me.

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 20:20

Nor me Perverse. Not even if I knew them very well and could be absolutely certain they were no threat. DH would be OK but I wouldn't expect any other woman there to be OK with that, even though I know he's a very gentle harmless soul. I wouldn't even want to undress in front of DS now he's an adult.

Privacy and dignity matter, as well as safety.

I often find it helpful in these discussions to remember the definition of harassment in the EA. It means to violate someone's dignity or to create an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for them, related to one of the protected characteristics.

Obviously this applies to TW as well as women. That's why trans people need to campaign for their own spaces, services and rights, not just demand women give up ours. Many of us would be right behind you in that campaign but it needs to be led by you, not us.

Meanwhile you need to respect women's boundaries and refusal to do so loses you the goodwill of women. Once you refuse to respect our boundaries we start worrying about safety as well as privacy and dignity.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 10/11/2018 20:21

empresshas hugged absolutely everyone apart from me ...apparentlyHmm

I was terrified Empress! I'm still deeply traumatised. The bill for my therapy is in the post to you as we speak Grin

There you go Rufus, you've got off lightly GrinGrinGrin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 20:23

Im getting a complex

And im not even joking....

I was talkimg to a RL friend about something (i thought was) funny on mumsnet

And she said that we should meet up as it would make an excellent film!!!

She doesnt get out much

Janekent3 · 10/11/2018 20:36

PennyArcade :

Thank you ever so much for sharing your experiences, and I really feel for you for your loss and all the heartache you went through. A close friend of mine lost two still born daughters, so I can, yes just can, understand the trauma. But to lose the ability to have further children, that is so awful and something I really can understand.

I wanted to give birth to my children but had to find a woman to do it for me. That was at 16, after knowing something was very wrong at 3, and developing as the boy at 5 in your school, playing with girls, my closest dearest friend then being Glenna, and we played with her dolls endlessly. I chose my female names then, and wanted female clothes and hair, and lived as a female in secret; in my mind.

Your experiencerience involving gender identity proves that there is more than one way GD can develop, then disappear as in your case. That is why I have stated in another thread about the extreme caution that must be exercised by the specialists within the gender field when giving assessments and recommendations. Thank God nothing final happened with you to stop you having eventually a good female life, even with all the terrible loss. Puberty blockers would have been brilliant and right for me, but obviously for you, not!

But cases such as mine do not have the ending of yours, but go on to be a severe nightmare of an existence, with everything in your mind and actions being female, when your body says different. I just knew I was a girl, and acted like one in private., when my parents were not looking as I felt unclean. Mum's clothes and make up came into their own at 11 years of age.

Yes, on this thread the "feeling like a female" has come up. What does that really mean? To you a 'standard', biological woman it is as it is; you feel as you are. I on the other hand never could identify with what the males around me did. I could not join in anything with them. From 5 years of age, when I first went to school, I found them far too loud, rough and they 'smelt'!! I could not play with them and joined the girls instead. That is until the girls went off to another wing of the school, devoid of the boys, when I became very upset I couldn't join them. So it went on, and on, throughout my years, with my parents really asking horrible questions about me and stopping me from telling them how I felt. Then unisex came in and away I went with very long hair, unisex clothes, and my girl friend, my only friend who I loved shopping with and all the 'female' things I couldn't do by myself until then, putting make up on me. How does being female feel you ask Penny? It felt then as it does now; right for me, with me not expected to fulfil a male role (dad wanted me to join the Royal Navy to toughen me up - no way!!) and do male things, and have to be in male company to 'conform'. I was different.

As for the toilet thing; well as I have previously said having to use male toilets from an early age made me physically ill. All I wanted was to use the female toilets as they felt right for me, but of course I was not allowed to.

I will not repeat everything I have stated over many threads now, but unlike you I did not find my true self until I transitioned. You had the loss of a baby; I "lost" 9 family members, including our 3 children, overnight who disowned me. My parents, who died over the last three years, both aged 88, never spoke to me again.

But, yes Penny, to answer your question "Does it mean years of therapy, hormone blockers, surgery just to be "You"? " it does. There were no short cuts in my day, and there is not now. Full assessments have to take place before that long road can commence. It is very painful, distressing, sometimes very humiliating, and tests all your resolve, but inspite of all 'the costs', finance is only a part of it; it is worth every single difficulty and challenge. To wake up every morning as 'myself' now is so wonderful, even with the challenges I still face as on this site!

I am so glad you found yourself Penny.

PerverseConverse · 10/11/2018 20:44

Janekent3 no, you can't. You've got no fucking idea what PennyArcade has been through with regards to pregnancy and the loss of her baby and uterus rendering her unable to get pregnant again and give birth. It's insulting to suggest you can. Of all the crass and insensitive things you've said on this thread, that really takes the biscuit. How fucking dare you.

NopeNi · 10/11/2018 20:47

Holy shit.

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 20:53

Well gosh that is a lot to think about Jane.

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EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 10/11/2018 20:58

Im getting a complex

And im not even joking....

Rufus, I promise that if we ever meet we'll have a hug Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 10/11/2018 21:01

Gonna hold you to that Grin

OrchidInTheSun · 10/11/2018 21:05

Penny Flowers Flowers Flowers

I think you've beautifully described the joy and the deep pain of being a woman. Feeling doesn't really come into it

BeyondVicious · 10/11/2018 21:06

Fuck. Me. Shock

BeyondVicious · 10/11/2018 21:08

Apologies, as a (biological, if it needs saying) woman attracted to (biological, if it needs saying) women, I hope that comment is not interpreted literally and scaring you all off!!! 🙄

But just... wow. 😮😳😬🤔

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2018 21:10

PennyArcade Flowers