The Crown - series 2 on Netflix

[southeastdweller]

Starts next Friday - anyone else excited?

Trailer here:

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/the-crown-season-2-netflix-trailer-claire-foy-jfk-jackie-kennedy-release-date-a8040486.html

We all know that the film and TV industry has a problem with older actresses, but it's really disappointing to see it so clearly on a show that is otherwise so fantastic. And because they are (mostly) playing real life characters, the discrepancy in their ages seems more pronounced.

I read somewhere that Armstrong-Jones used to leave random notes for Margaret in the books that she was reading. So she'd just turn the page and find that her husband had written "You look like a Jewish manicurist and I hate you". That's a special kind of fucked up

I they used the Jewish manicurist in The Crown - when Tony was having the threesome.

I haven't got to that bit yet, Queen!

I'm still thinking of the scene in episode seven where the Queen confronted the Duke of Windsor about his Nazi ties. Fab acting there from Alex Jennings who I thought did a very subtle and credible job of portraying his character on the back-foot and keeping us guessing about the Duke's true motives.

I have just watched episode 10 and I had a little dust in my eye at the scene towards the end when she confronts him about the dancer and the other women saying she's a realist etc.

I choose to think that he possibly did have the odd fling but nothing meant anything because I am a big soppy fool and thought he was sincere in that last bit.

The last scene in ep 9 got me too. When they come back from the school and Charles goes off with the nanny and Anne runs around the garden with Phillip and the Queen is left separate and not involved with her own family.

I have to keep reminding myself that it’s not a documentary I thought the series was fab but went in far too quickly.

I don’t know how much truth there was to what Lascalles says about the duke of Windsor in his episode. I wanted to believe it though.

I've always had the impression that Anne was his favourite child - she seems to have the tough character he admires. And apparently Andrew is the Queen's favourite, so perhaps Charles has felt unloved for much of his life. It would certainly explain his romantic choices!

There's a really in-depth documentary on Netflix (I think it's called The House of Windsor. It's in 8 parts). I learned a hell of a lot about the Windsors from that.

Romantically for Prince Charles it was really always about Camilla but she married someone else. Lord Mountbatten was very close to Charles and he spent a long time trying to engineer a match with his own granddaughter - his granddaughter actually turned Charles down eventually. There was so much pressure on Charles from the press and from Prince Philip. There was a general 'just get on with it!' attitude. Then Lord Mountbatten was killed by the IRA and Charles lost his confident. I think he panicked and found Diana. They barely knew each other when they married.
Prince Philip actually wrote supportive letters to Diana when it looked like their marriage was in trouble (watching The Crown maybe they were letters about being an outsider in the family etc?) but in other ways he was a bully.

It's all so sad, for everyone.

Lord Mountbatten was killed by the IRA and Charles lost his confident. I think he panicked and found Diana. They barely knew each other when they married.

Yes, I think Diana said as much in interviews. Apparently she said she'd felt very sorry for him when she saw him alone at Mountbatten's funeral and before she knew what was happening, he'd lept on her. I guess they then got carried away by events and before they knew it they were married.

It's interesting to think what things might be like today if Diana was still alive. I suspect she'd be on amicable terms with Charles and perhaps remarried too, but I can't imagine she'd have liked playing second fiddle to Kate, and much less to Meghan who is far more accomplished. But I digress!

I've only got up to episode 4, nut I agree with the above re: Charles. Mike Parker at the end of the last episode I watched said something like 'it must be hard to love a child that represents your own mortality'. Charles, like all heirs is the heir to the throne more than anything else to everyone. Apparently Andrew was the Queens favourite, but Anne and Edward apparently are Philips favourite and despite all the stuff about the Marines Phillip was very supportive of his leaving. That leaves Charles as the eldest with all the duty. I agree that Camilla is the love of his life. He was born on the same day as my mum so I always know exactly how old he is!

Andrew is, by all accounts, awful, but I guess that by arriving after such a big gap he'd naturally be her most treasured child. Certainly she looks very happy in the pictures with him as a baby.

Again, just from watching the Crown, I got the impression she just had too much pressure on her to be Queen to be a warm mother to Anne and Charles, then when Andrew came along, he was 'her' baby. He does seem by all accounts to be the most spoilt and entitled of all the Queens children.

I didn't like flash forward to the Kennedy assassination in episode eight. Felt a bit tacky and clumsy to me.

I’m off work sick and binge watching it! On episode 7.

Just watched episode 9 - so sad. I wonder why the Queen didn't take Charles out of Gordonstoun when she knew how miserable he was and later sent Andrew and Edward there? Interestingly, Princess Anne sent her two kids there as well but none of her nieces and nephews went.

I think Anne and Andrew were tougher characters so probably excelled at Gordenstoun. Same for the Phillips siblings. Perhaps Fergie didn't want her daughters sent there and Edward's kids are still too young. No idea where they currently go to school actually.

I expect Gordonstoun isn't quite so bleak these days - bet they have hot showers and windows that close! Just been looking at their website and it looks fabulous to be honest - for a certain type of child. One of mine would have been in heaven there. The other two not so much!

I'm watching it at every opportunity I almost combusted at the sexual tension on display in that dark room in episode 4. I love Matthew Goode anyway but phwoar!!! (Erm yes I am a 36 year old mother of 2 who said phwoar)

Agree figgy It was incredibly hot! With the added bit of hindsight that she was playing such a dangerous game with him that would end in so much unhappiness.

I think they do lead an incredibly priveleged life that makes it difficult for them to know what life is like for the vast majority of other people. I think if you are in that situation, you don't have any perspective. So they think it would be lovely to live a nice middle class life in suburbia or to be a farmer or whatever, but they have no idea what it would be like to do that while worrying about bills and the economy and the NHS even if they think they do. I think Philip does have an idea of what it is like to lose everything. His family were living in relative poverty when he married the Queen. He landed on his feet when he married her. It doesn't help when you are surrounded by lackeys whose self regard depends on them working for the Monarchy and are desperate to stay there and for them to stay the same.

I’ve finished Wish it’d been longer. We’ve got a really long wait until the next one is broadcast (2019).

I wonder where the next series will pick up? The silver jubilee perhaps? The Michael Fagan incident will no doubt warrant an episode, as will the attempted kidnapping of Princess Anne.

Southeast - watch it again! I binged over the weekend and loved it so much I'm watching it again. More slowly. Missed quite a lot the first time round. But then I do have a tendency to nod off occasionally while I'm watching tv!

I’ll definitely be rewatching both series’s next year.

Queen so you think they’ll skip to the 70’s? Kind of makes sense as there wasn’t much going on in the royal family from 1964 - 1969 and picking up in the 70’s will perhaps make the new older cast seem more believable.