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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 6 discussion thread **SPOILERS**

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OlennasWimple · 20/08/2017 17:06

CAUTION - HERE BE DRAGONS (PROBABLY) AND SPOILERS

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 6 "BEYOND THE WALL"

Come and discuss the fifth episode in the penultimate series, airing August 21ST at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6. This is the penultimate episode this series!!

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones. There is a spoiler thread running here if you want to talk about production leaks and insider information as well

As a little warm up for later, HBO have just released a little teaser for tonight's episode here

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KentMum2008 · 21/08/2017 17:16

It was an undead bear! He had bright blue eyes

MorvaanReed · 21/08/2017 17:18

Hang on, am I remembering wrong or was Sandor in the boat? (Hoping for Clegane vs Clegane, but only if Sandor wins).

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 17:18

It was an undead bear. If a bear was running or even ambling towards me I'd run like fuck in the opposite direction whether it was alive or undead! I wouldn't stop to inspect its eye colour first!

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 17:20

Sandor was in the boat. He has his pet Wight.

I do not want Cleganebowl to happen, but I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't.

Trills · 21/08/2017 17:26

Instead of Cleaganebowl maybe Brienne can take on the unMountain (and win) and be The Woman Who Beat Both Brothers.

And some pretty knight will be impressed and fall for her.
(she likes pretty men like Renly and Jaime, Tormund is not her type)

KentMum2008 · 21/08/2017 17:30

Just watched it again, it's definitely not a 'voom' sound the flaming swords make, it's a 'scchttiiing' like metal. I like it!

Agree, Tormund isn't her type, all the more reason why I want them to get it on. I love that Tormund wants her to have his babies 😂

When Gendry was talking about eye colour, the bear was just standing there looking at them. It's only when the red shirt in front started running that the bear ran too. Should have just stayed still! Ditto the Hound and his stupid rock throwing game. What a div.

Underthemoonlight · 21/08/2017 17:30

I found Ayra that focused on her own emotional journey she failed to see anyone else's. Sansa was trapped in kings landing vulnerable no family her hand maiden killed her fathers men killed and was beaten and torched in court infront of everyone. She was then married to tyrion who was a nice man but involved with the family who killed hers. She escaped to only be married off a second time torched and raped. I thought Ayra was a massive bitch.

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 17:35

Trills that would make me very happy.

I think D&D are intending to do Cleganebowl at some stage - either in S7 or S8 - as so many fans want it. I really don't think it'll happen in the books (if they are ever published).

KentMum2008 · 21/08/2017 17:37

No time for Cleganebowl in this season, it'll have to be 8.

yumyumpoppycat · 21/08/2017 17:41

Dickon would have been perfect for Brienne {wipes away a small tear}

yumyumpoppycat · 21/08/2017 17:44

Sorry going back to Arya - why doesn't she even want to hear Sansa's story - every time Sansa mentions awful things that have happened to her Arya just cuts her off. Ahem, I may have a younger sister of my own.

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 17:47

Arya admitted that she has chosen anger over fear. There is that line Fear cuts deeper than swords. She's taken it (or D&D have) too literally. Anger now seems to be everything to her. It's such a shame, as she seemed so pleased to be going home.

Her and Sansa definitely had issues to deal with. She's dealing with them as her 9 year-old self though.

yumyumpoppycat · 21/08/2017 17:59

I guess D&D are contrasting how Sansa has grown from her experiences and despite everything Arya hasn't for some reason Hmm I guess she shut down something in her brain to deal with losing her family. Is this part of the Lady Stoneheart story maybe?

SenatorBunghole · 21/08/2017 17:59

Another thing that didn't sit quite right with me is Tyrion characterising Tywin as merely cruel, and people only obeying him because of that. In the same way as the Mad King. I really don't agree with that statement.

I'm not saying he was a pussy cat, but he was always supposed to be clever too, and someone who wanted stability. With his House in charge of it, granted, but I thought he was portrayed as a real contrast to the likes of Littlefinger who just want power for its own sake, and Ned Stark who had no sense at all.

So I'm reminded of the Davos pitch to the Bank of Bravos when he talks about Tywin having been the force for stability. Of Tywin coming back to CR in series 2 and having the prisoners put to work instead of executed. And also the way they contrast him with Cersei and Joffrey who like cruelty for its own sake: remember he was pissed off when he found out they'd executed Ned Stark and basically wasted him. I don't think the Mad King would've taken any of those stances.

QueenoftheAndals · 21/08/2017 18:04

Yes, Tywin was ruthless but I don't think he was evil. He wasn't cruel for the sake of it, he was cruel when he thought it was required. As long as you didn't cross him you'd have probably been ok. He didn't randomly torture people for fun like Joffrey did.

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 18:07

yumyum in the books Lady Stoneheart takes the part of killing any Freys her and the Brotherhood come across. However, Arya is shown as setting herself up as a bit of a judge, jury and executioner. She murders a deserter from the Night's Watch, which isn't really her place to do so as she isn't the Warden of the North. In one of the Winds of Winter sample chapters she goes on to cross another name off her list - again against the rules of the Faceless Men.

The Ghost of High Heart has strong words for Arya (this part is taken by Melissandre in the show):

I see you. I see you, wolf child. Blood child. I thought it was the lord who smelled of death ... You are cruel to come to my hill, cruel. I gorged on grief at Summerhall, I need none of yours. Begone from here, dark heart. Begone!

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 18:10

Tywin's utter annihilation of the Reynes was pretty cruel. He sealed all the entrances to their fortress which was mostly underground and then diverted the mere above it so that it filled with water. All men, women and children were drowned inside. He participated in a similar annihilation of all the Darklyns and Hollards. The only one known to survive was Dontos Hollards who was the knight Sansa saved from Joffrey at the beginning of season 2.

The Mad King was mad and utterly cruel. His method of killing Rickard and Brandon Stark was fucking horrible. Joffrey simply lacked his imagination.

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OlennasWimple · 21/08/2017 18:14

Tywin made a big point of not being cruel for the sake of it (eg he said to Joffrey "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet. Elsewise no man will ever bend the knee to you. And any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all. Aerys never understood that, but you will. When I’ve won your war for you, we will restore the king’s peace and the king’s justice.") He just had no problem being exceptionally cruel when needed.

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 21/08/2017 18:15

Not only is Arya bugging me, she seems to be spending her hobby time attending the Littlefinger School of Dramatic Monotone Monologues, prop. Petyr Baelish Dip Dramatic Monotone. Stop mumbling child!

I really wanted Sansa to pull her hair and start a proper 'sister' fight - they need to slap it out I think.

SenatorBunghole · 21/08/2017 18:18

I haven't actually read the books so I don't know what Tywin was like in them.

AryaUnderfoot · 21/08/2017 18:26

SenatorBunghole the show never really gives a true picture of the background to characters, but it never can. There aren't nearly enough hours.

Even the ASOIAF book series only briefly touches on some of the history of the characters.

Lots of people would describe Tywin as being not cruel but ruthless. I think that is mostly fair, but he did have a streak that was very vindictive rather than necessarily cruel.

Many of GRRM's characters are described as 'grey' and a lot of that doesn't come out in the show. Tyrion could be pretty nasty when he chose to be.

AryaUnderfootNowPrefersSansa · 21/08/2017 18:33

Until this farce is concluded it just had to be done.

KentMum2008 · 21/08/2017 18:33

Can I divert the talk to the subject of Wights/White Walkers? So the Wights are the stumbly, flesh hanging off ones. And the white walkers are the blue-eyed boss boys (don't think I've seen any female ones, correct me if I'm wrong) Is that right?
I have a bit of an issue with this re-animation business. Do you remember when LC Mormont went beyond the wall to try and find benjen? He brought back the dead bodies of the 2 other rangers benjen was with IIRC. They re-animated as blue eyed undead types because their bodies hadn't been burned. But no WW had touched them immediately before that. So were they wights or WW? Jon killed them with Longclaw which is how you kill WW, can you only kill wights with fire or with dragonglass and VS as well? The dragon reanimated as soon as NK touched him. But at Hardhome when they went to rescue all the wildlings, NK just raised his hands and they all reanimated, into Wights?

Can someone more knowledgable help me out here? I like to think I'm a leading authority on all things GoT, but this is the one subject that has me stumped.

fairgame84 · 21/08/2017 18:34

I wonder if LF is scheming in real life. I can't help but think he must have something on somebody to not be written out yet. He's on borrowed time!

AryaUnderfootNowPrefersSansa · 21/08/2017 18:39

mangomay in the books the true nature of wights and their relationship to white walkers is not fully known yet.

Wights are re-animated by white walkers but in the books can be killed by just fire. White walkers are killed by dragonglass and Valyrian Steel.

Wights don't move in sunlight - only at night and in thick cloud/snow cover. Probably this is why the ones brought back to the wall were not moving at the time. There are still wights there in the book in the Ice Cells - hence why this shitty storyline will never happen in the books.

We are supposed to forget about this now. In show canon, white walkers 'create' wights which move as long as their 'creator' is still alive.