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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 20:36

Yes.
Very.

Batteriesallgone · 23/06/2017 20:44

Obviously the whole Handmaid thing is cherry picked, as otherwise they'd go the whole hog and allow polygamy.

But all Christianity is cherry picking, I mean the Bible is wildly contradictory in places. Doesn't stop people fervently believing that their interpretation is right though.

countycouncil · 23/06/2017 20:54

Why do they only perform the ceremony once a month? Is that a religious thing too? Surely it would make more sense to have sex lots of times over the course of a few days, though this would be even more awful for the handmaids

Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:00

Fertile window

PacificDogwod · 23/06/2017 21:02

The Ceremony is so structured and ritualised to somehow sanitise it and make it look less like rape. Which it is of course.

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Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:16

I wonder if making the household staff witness the first part of the ceremony is somehow meant to confer legitimacy to the proceedings?
I:e how can it be rape if everyone is implicated?

countycouncil · 23/06/2017 21:19

Yeah but the fertile window is not one day it's 3 or 4 days

Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:19

The ceremony is not just one day

Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:20

...or st least it wasn't in the last ep

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2017 21:20

It didn't strike me about the handmaids in the Bible until I saw it on the show that it wasn't them that got to name their own child. Just like Janine secretly called her baby Charlotte, and sang to her while breastfeeding. How awful that actually is for the real mother, and then to go back and do it again.

Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:21

The bible is proper fucked up innit?

countycouncil · 23/06/2017 21:26

Oh right, I'm only up to episode 4. I thought it was just a once a month event and thought that seemed ludicrous given how intent they are on having babies.

noblegiraffe · 23/06/2017 21:28

Tbh there's worse in the Bible. Like when Lot tells a bunch of men to gang rape his virgin daughters rather than a couple of angels he'd met earlier that day.

Mrsmartell08 · 23/06/2017 21:31

Men
Fucking over women since time immemorial

honeysucklejasmine · 23/06/2017 21:31

Just caught up on last week's episode. Quite an... Uplifting? ending this week... Although it really does seem their only hope of escape is in suicide.

StorminaBcup · 23/06/2017 22:35

I'm prepared to be totally flamed for this (and educated), but if the handmaid doesn't say 'no' or object, then does it make it rape? Is it only rape if they don't consent? How are they defining consent and rape? I'm just thinking of the man who was stoned / kicked to death by the handmaids for rape and comparing this to their commanders.

yousmelllikeroastedcorn · 23/06/2017 22:40

StorminaBcup yes it is clearly rape. What choice do you think Offred has?

StorminaBcup · 23/06/2017 22:44

There is a choice -not much of choice granted- but it comes down to survival doesn't it? I understand it's still not a choice in our societal norms. I'm just wondering what makes rape a crime punishable by death different to what happens during the ceremony?

StorminaBcup · 23/06/2017 22:48

I should add I haven't read the book. Does it come down to hierarchy? The person who was killed wasn't a commander, in presuming. So it's not rape if your high ranking because the handmaiden is your property and you don't need consent. Would it be rape if the Offred had sex with the driver and they were caught, even though Offred consented?

TizzyDongue · 23/06/2017 22:50

We'll that's messed up noblegiraffe!! Lots of sons I see, only one daughter, which it good; can't be having too many wasted pregnancies can we. Hmm

Which bible is it from? The writing is odd, almost juvenile.

BeyondOfbob · 23/06/2017 22:59

I imagine it's cause a handmaid "belonging" to a man (or even the state) is similar to a slave "belonging" to their master. The women all belong to one man or another.

The man in E1 wasn't being punished for rape exactly imo, but for the sullying and theft/destruction of another mans (or the states) belongings.

yousmelllikeroastedcorn · 23/06/2017 23:02

I think the point is that Gilead is so committed to controlling women's reproductive rights that they can choose their own definition of rape. Handmaids are owned by their Commanders so it's not seen as rape because he 'owns' her. The man executed in the particicution is accused of raping another man's Handmaid. It's a crime because it's one man stealing another mans property, and the woman's feeling are not seen as relevant.

Jijhebtseksmetezels · 23/06/2017 23:02

I'm just wondering what makes rape a crime punishable by death different to what happens during the ceremony?

Politics. Religion. Race. Othering.

The same thing that causes the very same men who were up in arms about Muslim refugees harassing white German girls to slut-shame victims of rapists like Ched Evans

OldBagLady · 23/06/2017 23:06

Wonder why all that wasn't featured in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat!

StorminaBcup · 23/06/2017 23:07

Ok, so it comes down to ownership and property and not consent. I only remembered the man being killed by the handmaids because the Aunt had said he'd raped one of them, when actually that was just said to manipulate their actions.