THE MISSING IS BACK - PART 3

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SQUEAL, CANT WAIT FOR TONIGHTS EPISODE :)

thought better start a new thread as part 2 is almost full

thread 1 here and thread 2 here

so much to question, but the death the sexy policeman by driller killer had us all last week, assume has to be dead 'clutches straws'

What's all the reference to Drilla's uncle? Have I missed something?

Also, I'm another person desperate to watch Series 1! Anyone know where I can get it?

After Sophie had gone back as Alice and Alice was found dead in the shed, we saw Sophie and Gattrick together. He was cutting her hair as a (rubbish) disguise for her to leave, her face being all over the papers.

She was to go to Switzerland to hide and he showed her a photo of a cabin his uncle owned in Switzerland. Made some (can't remember which) comments about the uncle. Therefore speculation.

I think Gettrick's comments about his uncle were to the effect that he was a bad guy and giving Drilla the cabin was the only decent thing he's ever done.

For those like me who haven't seen series one it's only 6.99 on Amazon for the DVD

Not if the ones conducting the enquiry also are in on the lie though hesterton

the corpse looked pretty bad, it must get to a point where you cannot tell what the cause of death is?

Unless the staged death had to be a fire precisely because the body (Alice? Lena?) that would be left in it had died that way (?)

Because, let's face it, self immolation in a shed is a melodramatic choice, even for staged death purposes.

Well the body had to be unrecognisible, didn't it?

Yes, but maybe it had to be unrecognisable with smoke inhalation too?

Or maybe it's just that the army will have control of the body so DNA and post-mortema aren't a concern?

Or maybe it's a good old fashioned plot hole?

Okay, this could be completely wrong as I'm going from UK rules, but there could be something similar...

Wouldn't they only establish cause of death if they did a post mortem?

In the U.K., I believe you don't need a post mortem if you've seen your doctor in the previous two weeks. Don't know the rules in Germany. But given she'd only just come out of hospital, the fact that she was locked in the shed, having previously slept there, and they saw the shed alight... they might not have done a post mortem, so wouldn't have looked at cause of death....? That could explain it, perhaps?

Just a thought!

I think death by shed fire would require a PM in the UK irrespective of when you'd last seen a doctor.

"The post mortem would show if she had inhaled any smoke/soot."

Only if enough of the soft tissue is left.

talking aobut cover up with the shed fire, The army Took over from the German police, so said Baptiste. dodgy therefore.

In the U.K., I believe you don't need a post mortem if you've seen your doctor in the previous two weeks.
But I think that's only if the doctor certifies you've died of natural causes, e.g. because s/he was expecting you to pop your clogs soon.

"Took over from the German police, so said Baptiste. dodgy therefore".

Not necessarily. Jurisdiction is governed by thev Status of Forces Agreement (which is backed by international agreements/law)

www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17265.htm

When there is is the possibility that the crime is committed by someone other than stationed forces (and the crime is a crime in both UK and Germany, and the matter does not related to serving personnel on their official duties) then it would be investigated by the German authorities.

And there was a scene in ep.1 where Brig offered personnel in support of the German investigation. So a certain amount of jointery, but not lead in the investigation. So German police would end their investigation into the death once satisfied it was suicide of Alice, but continued the investigation and prosecution of the suspected abductor, because they had primacy.

So the only potentially hooky bit is the DNA test. Because the DNA repository for the samples of military personnel is in UK, not Germany, and it's a store of actual samples that will only be sequenced should there be otherwise unidentifiable remains to be identified. Indeed the consent for holding such a sample (which is voluntary, but recommended) is specific that that can be the only possible use.

To request it in support of a German investigation into the death of a dependent takes a shit load of paperwork in the first place, and the sequencing is done in UK. There is no British military capacity to do that in Germany, so it's not clear who ran the sample from the burnt corpse - because that has to be either a German lab, or a sample sent back to UK. And either of those scenarios involves far too many people who would notice interference with either samples or subsequent paperwork.

I think that it is a clumsy point, which was not well researched (no obvious way to fake any part of test/results). So it would be a pity if any great weight of plot was attached to it.

As posted above, I think Baptiste's comment was more a creation of a brooding atmosphere of pervasive corruption. And he didn't know yet that 'Alice' was still alive and that the body in the shed is not the girl everyone thought was sleeping in it.

But I think that's only if the doctor certifies you've died of natural causes, e.g. because s/he was expecting you to pop your clogs soon

Yes, that's right. You have to be confident of the cause of death so any unexpected death always gets an autopsy. I'd be amazed if the same wasn't true in Germany - otherwise it's a licence to kill

I'm a GP/A&E doc, not a pathologist but I doubt a pathologist would be able to establish whether there had been smoke inhalation into lungs of the body in the shed - she was too crisped.

Regarding the DNA testing, I was under the impression (and thought Eve said so??) that they matched with Sam because he was in the hospital receiving treatment?

Is it possible the tests were run from samples taken from Sam in the hospital and from samples taken from the body (wherever they do autopsies in Germany) and the results sent to the army instead of the German police?

Driller definitely says something about making a life for the 4 of us in this week's episode - sorry if someone else has already mentioned this!

I wonder if the 4 of them includes the dog? I'd prefer it to be another person as more interesting plot theories then.

Andis says to Hertz that people need to know who he really is. I wonder if there's more it than just being a kidnapper - who is he?

Plus did anyone notice the reaction when Sam told Gemma Eve was pg? I wonder if they couldn't have biological children and that's why the DNA was matched to Sam and not Gemma?