THE MISSING IS BACK - PART 3

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SQUEAL, CANT WAIT FOR TONIGHTS EPISODE :)

thought better start a new thread as part 2 is almost full

thread 1 here and thread 2 here

so much to question, but the death the sexy policeman by driller killer had us all last week, assume has to be dead 'clutches straws'

Sophie was perhaps driven to Switzerland? Who by I have no idea, but suspect it was someone on the Army site, possibly Gatterick (drilla).

Few other observations. We cannot believe what Sophie said about Alice because it's now clear she was running to a script, clearly that Alice was weak.

It's obvious that Catterick is a paranoid nutter, Sophie knows this and is protecting the girl.

Nadia may not be involved in the kidnapping or killing. But I think her and Brig had words and bodily fluids exchanged. However, her standing as a Major was such it gave her a new lease of life. I believe that if she knew what was going on and choose to ignore it, why wouldn't she believe her husband, when he said he was being framed?

I doubt Driller could have driven her. Didn't he say something about being in the last two weeks of his tour? It would really difficult to get away then, and an unplanned absence would be noted.

Unless of course that was just a story spun to Sophie

But I think it is likely someone drove Sophie, because although border checks are rare, they are legal/possible as Switzerland is non-EU/Schengen and they are sometimes carried out. But exceptionally on cars (or campervans) on quieter roads. But who?

Iraq events were 1991 weren't they? When Nadia had been major for about 5 years and presumably Stone was a major too. She called him colonel when he visited the shop (force of habit, she said) so did he get promoted on the back of a 'successful' Iraq tour, and she was left behind (no further promotions noted)

I wonder if Sophie was jealous of Lena. She saw Lena's glasses in the camper, twigged that driller had taken her there before, and burnt them in jealousy/realisation that she wasn't actually drillers favourite as he had taken Lena here before her?

Given all the red herrings in season 1 (which I haven't see yet ), I think the whole Iraq situation is going to turn out to be separate from the 3 abductions. I don't think there will be much crossover, except maybe DK is blackmailing the Brig / Reed to get what he wants. I also think he set up the Butcher because of his wife's involvement in Iraq. But I think I alluded to that last week.

I think when Sophie was talking about the Brigs' guilt, she was referring to Iraq and DK told her about that.

But the thing that's bothering me is why would the Brig warn her to keep her mouth shut... there must be some kind of connection there. Not sure what though!

I do think DK killed Reed - maybe he found something out / heard something....?

I'm so confused. But....we haven't seen Lucy actually identify Sophie as her mum have we? Sophie told Sam and Gemma that her child died didn't she? Could Lucy be Alices but being kept by Driller and Sophie to replace her baby? I don't know if/how that could make sense but would tie into the theme of people taking other people's children - surrogacy, fakeAlice, body swap in shed.

I hadn't realised Henry Reed was an army doctor. That fits with the theory he knew but was not involved because who do you call when you've almost or have actually killed an Iraq girl or when your prisoner is dangerously ill? The doctor!

I think there was enough dirt on Henry with his proclivity for transsexuals that he would be susceptible to black mail. I also think that ultimately he was one of the good guys and would try to help so either helped Sophie escape or persuaded her captor/s to let go for medical help. Then they killed him when they found out or the thought or found out he was going to go to the police. That also fits with Sophie laying flowers on his grave.

Brig Stone was in on it, hence little chat to Sophie warning her to keep her mouth shut.

Although I think Nadia was involved in Iraq I'm not sure she was involved in the recent stuff. I think setting up her husband was a good way or ensuring she is powerless. She may have been subjected to abuse too in Iraq or she may have been totally or partially complicit.

Beyond returned Alice aka Sophie is the most unreliable of unreliable narrators. We know she lied about who she is, we know sometimes she was talking "as Alice" and we know that she initially lied about having had a baby (I suspect this was because she was in character as Alice and Alice didn't have a baby) but we don't if she was telling her truth, Alice's truth or a lie when she said her baby died.

Involvement in Iraq could be in either abuse or cover up.

Thanks I suppose I felt like it was that dining table conversation where Sophie dropped her cover a bit, seemed to speak with real emotion for the first time. The Brigs 'too many babies' comment made me wonder too.

I'm wondering now if Baptiste's visit to Iraq was one of his hallucinations, the scene with Daniel fighting and being killed seemed odd.

I think poor Alice is dead, maybe before the burning in the shed, and the DNA tests were correct.

I think they're really stringing this out at episode 6.

Very slow - lots of shots of non moving faces with far away looks.

Time wasting to me.

I anticipate the last episode (8) will be a hurried ending like in series 1.

Lena's mother described Garrick as a "family friend" which might fit with a surrogacy scenario and if they were using girls to farm babies Sam could have provided sperm if he was involved and then the body in the shed could be Lena and be Sam's daughter.

But I think that is too far fetched.

Someone upthread mentioned a dead girl in Switzerland did I miss that bit?

The scenes with Garrick and Sophie were harrowing. The bucket. Lucy covering her ears. "Good girl".

The hallucinations Baptiste is having were too much, I think. There's enough going on with his being ill vs his sense of purpose without adding them. Plus if he is arrested for the attack on Stone, there's no LovelyJorn to be on his side.

Can only hope Garrick gets his comeuppance and there's no ambiguity.

beyond my take on the dining table talk about the roller coaster and the baby was Sophie telling the truth as Sophie then realising that if the Webster's know about a living child born to their daughter (so they would think as she is claiming to be Alice) that it would ruin Drilla's stop people looking for her plan. In fact it would presumably lead to a new intense search so I think she told the truth about her daughter making her happy then hurriedly added on a lie that the baby died.

Driller telling Sophie get gaorcut made her look younger was stomach turning. That's why she will do whatever he says, she's scared for her daughter.

Something that annoyed me, wtf was Gemma doing ironing Sam's clothes, 2 hours after he told her he'd hot another woman pregnant?! Fuck that.

Sophie her haircut

There are other possessions of his I'd have ironed. One in the trouser area.

So do we think that Gattrick's uncle is important, or just to explain how Gattrick has the cabin in Switzerland?

Do we think that he was abused by his uncle?

Why was the butcher framed?

To do with Nadia & Iraq?

I think some pieces are falling in place.

Reed was a doctor, he may have treated Sophie or Lucy after being blackmailed because of his relationship with Ilse. He may have convinced Gettrick to let Sophie be treated in hospital, and that's why she left the flowers on his grave.

Gettrick killed him though.

Sophie had to pretend she's Alice to stay near Lucy, otherwise she might have been send off to her father in France.

Lena was Swiss, wasn't she?

Some random musings apropos of nothing (definitely no theory!)

• Little Lucy is, what, 4/5ish? in present day (scene with the drill). In the same scene LovelyJorn says the ride photo was taken 4 years ago. So her mother must either be pregnant at the time of the photo, or there was a little baby somewhere.

• I'm pondering on Lena, her abduction doesn't fit the pattern:

Alice/Sophie - abducted in 2003, aged 11. English (or part English). As far as we know, unknown to Drilla before abduction (although Alice's Dad was on the same base).

Lena - abducted 2008, older at time of abduction (?). German. Family known to Drilla. Why did he take her?

• Henry Reed's car is missing. Could this be how Sophie got to Switzerland?

• I think Alice is still alive, possibly in the house. There needs to be some tension for Sam/Gemma characters at the end, like a race to find her. Otherwise it's a bit flat for their ending.

Ahhhh wrote a huge essay and lost it 😡😡

So Sophie came back as had appendicitis and pretended to be Alice - Sophie hasn't given birth as doc at hospital said she hasn't - yet as Alice she said she has

So lucy must belong to Alice but Sophie has bonded with her and is playing DK so when both let out she will then escape with lucy

Think reed is innocent of kidnapping girls but somehow helped alice /Lena escape so that's why flowers were on his grave

Maybe he knew the dna was faked as doctors and why he got killed possibly by DK

Yes saw 2doors in DK house

Great spot about Lucy's pic and body buried

Surely butchers wife would lock the door if JUst back after being in hospital/coma for a year

As usual totally confused so glad this thread has various theories

recap e6

I find these guides helpful as well as this thread :)

"Sophie hasn't given birth as doc at hospital said she hasn't "

I thought that the Dr said she had.

So did Gettrick know Alice & Lena, or at least their parents?

Might he have known Sophie's mum somehow?