THE MISSING IS BACK - PART 3

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SQUEAL, CANT WAIT FOR TONIGHTS EPISODE :)

thought better start a new thread as part 2 is almost full

thread 1 here and thread 2 here

so much to question, but the death the sexy policeman by driller killer had us all last week, assume has to be dead 'clutches straws'

Some random musings: Where is Eve's mother? Is she dead? Could Eve be the girl from Iraq? Is that the point of the surrogacy story? I strongly believe that the girl with the baby is Sophie - French speaking, finger-twitching, ID-ed on the rollercoaster. Lena looks different, would speak German. Has she become so complicit with her captor that she is party to the deaths of the other two girls - is this another reason why she can't break cover? Drilla has told her she is responsible for their deaths. Could she have witnessed one or both of their deaths in the way her daughter witnessed Jorn's death. I believe Drilla killed Henry Reed - it was the blood stain on the tiles that made me think of it. Are the effects of Julien's brain tumour mimicking the effects of the Brig losing his mind?

I've seen depot flupenthixol floor people very fast, Bore - admittedly not 3 seconds but I guess we allow them some poetic licence?

OK watched last night but didn't come on thread because I knew I'd be up half the night reading it
So my thoughts. Lena Sophie and Alice all abducted at different stages by driller. I think Sophie is Lucy's mum. I think her birth may have marked the end for Alice and lena who were now surplus to requirements, getting older and possibly troublesome for driller so disposed of in some way which possibly Sophie had a part in. Sophie as Lucy's mum is kept. She goes back due to ill health and as part of drillers plan to put to bed the search for Alice. It totally backfired on him though with the arrival of baptiste and him speaking French to Sophie. Driller would never have expected that. She runs away to driller to tell him of potential they'll get rumbled so theye act quickly and fake her death that night disposing of Alice's body in the process. They wouldn't have been concerned with lena because no one was looking for her so her body could have been got rid of anywhere.
Now as Sophie is getting older in 2015 she is pushing to get out of area because she knows as lucy gets older Sophie may be surplus to requirements and disposed of too and lucy become his victim. I don't think she's Stockholm syndrome I think she is plotting against him to protect her daughter and get them both out of there.
I dont think aldi will have a huge amount to say to baptiste but I do think whatever she says will bring baptiste to driller who at the moment is not on his radar. I also don't think aldi framed her husband but that he was framed by driller. I still think brig and Eve are a distraction to main plot. I think brig was involved in the young girlson death in Iraq driller knew this and relayed to Sophie hence her outburst at him in the garden but I don't think he has anything to do with abductions in Germany and France.
I am also slightly suspicious of Sam he does not seem to want to entertain in anyway Gemmas thoughts on alice not being Alice and I do wonder why that might be surely you would be open to all sorts of theories if it was your daughter and surely you would listen to your wife if she was adamant the returned girl was not your daughter?

Lillian, I like your musings. It might explain the envelope containing baby scans one or two episodes ago. The Brig mentions " too many babies ". To whom was he referring? His daughter who was given surrogacy baby, or his dead wife? I know I'm not making sense.

I need a crumb of understanding. My brain will explode or close down regarding the rest of the series.

I love this thread. Great ideas, keep them coming. They're staving off madness.

I am more confused than ever after last night's episdoe!

I watch with DH - and we try and make our own theories - but both drew a blank.

I don't think he has anything to do with abductions in Germany and France. Brig has to have some involvement otherwise how would Sophie - who was abducted in France and has nothing to do with army base or Eckberg - know him? Why would he want her to frame the butcher? Brig is at the heart of the cover-up. I think this is why Sophie - even when she got out - had no way of asking for help (I kept wondering why she didn't write a note explaining where she was and explaining the need for a careful intervention and explaining why she had to go back) - she doesn't know who she can trust. At the risk of sounding like Boris Johnson - quis custodet ipsos custodes - the people who need to be investigated are conducting the investigation. I agree that she is biding her time in full self-preservation mode, but having seen driller in action I wouldn't fancy her chances against him (unless she waits until he's asleep).

I think Lucy is Alice's and will end up living with Gemma (or is that the hopeful in me?).

So brother knew of dads affair which would explain the hostility and behaviour.

In the first series the killer was really in obvious so I think there is another twist to come and it's not drilla that abducted the girls.

I am also slightly suspicious of Sam he does not seem to want to entertain in anyway Gemmas thoughts on alice not being Alice Me too Dulra, but I also think her brother would have been less accepting too. Maybe it's just us, but my brother and I always used to joke when we were younger that we would have a trick question if we we ever suspected someone of trying to impersonate one or other of us - in the end we had several based on the sort of minutiae brothers and sisters consider important (which piece would you always be in a game of Monopoly and which piece would I be? for instance) My dcs (13 and 15) who are watching with me say the same - they would have any number of details to catch out an imposter. They probably know each other better than I know them both - I suppose it depends on the kids, but Alice and her brother seemed to have a closeness from the little we saw of them.

Lillian am assuming that she couldn't cry for help in 2014 as she was worried Drilla would run away with her daughter.

She couldn't directly cry for help no, but she could have gone back to himand her daughter and left a note explaining what happened - saying if he finds out I've told you he will kill me and my daughter, please come and rescue me,but do it carefully (or words to that effect). But who would she give the note to? WHo could she trust - even Alice's father is in the army (maybe he's even involved).
I'm wondering if the three girls were one for each of the three men in Iraq - Nadia was in Iraq, but I don't think she is one of the three. I think driller is the third and Nadia role was perhaps in trying to stop them. She seemed genuinely shocked when she saw the photos on the butcher's phone - I don't think she suspected him and I don't think she is involved herself. She is hiding something though and I think she was being blackmailed with the photos she tried to delete form her phone.

Lillian the Iraqi girl is dead. Her brother said somwthing about the money Reed paying not bringing her back to life and Baptiste said to the Brig "I know you killed that girl" and he more or less confirmed his guilt by referring to the things the three of them did.

Yes you're right - I'd forgotten that.

Yes Dulra I too think Sam is being diversive. The worst bit was when Drilla was in the room with Sophie & Lucy and said disgustingly 'it stinks in here' when they obviously only have the bucket. Ooo I hope Sophie get hold of his black & decker and gives him payback for years of captivity & abuse.

Place marking x

Ok, so a wild theory came to my head in the middle of the night nutty bitch
Driller refers to 'the bad men' coming to get Lucy/Sophie. Maybe Driller thinks Brig/Sam and Sophie's Dad (who we don't know was out in Iraq but maybe was) were the 'bad men' because of what they did to girl in Iraq. Driller went a bit mad and thought that he should protect the daughters' of these men ie Sophie/Alice/Lena (maybe Brig is Lena's Dad ). He then grooms and captures Sophie/Alice/Lena to 'protect' them because in his warped mind he believes they are in danger from their Dads. He killed Henry and nice policeman because they got in his way.

I think the 'bad men' theory is purely for Lucy's benefit - to explain why she has to live in a basement and a locked room - that is her reality and that is how he maintains it.

Some things we don't yet know to ponder about:

1. How did Sophie get to Switzerland? She can't drive and she has been in captivity pretty much since she was 11 so I can't imagine her getting around on buses or trains.

1. What else is in the file Gemma gave Baptiste? He had a quick look and then shot off to Nadia's.

Incidentally, why didn't he just knock on her door instead of letting himself in?

I really hope Lucy is not Alice's. I think Gemma's got enough to deal with without looking after a very damaged little girl who believes Sophie to be her mother (whether she is or not and I think she is).

I am also slightly suspicious of Sam he does not seem to want to entertain in anyway Gemmas thoughts on alice not being Alice Me too Dulra, but I also think her brother would have been less accepting too

Meh, not sure about that. If you had been desperately missing someone for years and she reappeared, I think you'd be pretty invested in believing that she was who she said she was.

I presume driller drove Sophie to Switzerland and then came back on the train. Where had he been keeping the van - the van was a pretty big clue so how did he keep it hidden? I agree that having been taken at 11 and then kept inside from then on Sophie would probably not be too streetwise.

There is a copy of one of the page's of Nadia's army record and the end of this clip:-

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I don't think it tells us anything of use though.

I don't think driller is one of the 3 from Iraq, but was involved in a cover up which protected the 3. This then gives him bandwidth to blackmail Stone et al. into co-operating with him in his kiddie abduction hobby and falsifying evidence etc. Maybe Reid had enough and was prepared to be exposed and take his punishment and that is why he was killed.

So going back to last week ( now we know a little more) Why would Sophie burn Lenas glasses (I think Lena is dead). Trying to get inside her damaged mind and can only think the sight of them distressed her so she destroyed them in quite a childlike way ( think she's a little girl emotionally) orrrrrr she's so invested in this weird controlling relationship with drilla that she's trying to protect their future together? Drilla is def sociopath.

Maybe Alice had a child, and it was the child's DNA that was found in the shed?

The Iraq3 might have been perpetrators together (who then went on to take another 3 girls - maybe one each?)

Or they might be 1 or 2 perpetrators, plus 1or 2 coverers-up.

Camper van may well have been hidden near the cabin in Switzerland all along.

What's bothering me is how Sophie got to Switzerland, and was wondering if, assuming plural perpetrators and at least one remaining alive and in sound mind, someone else took her?

Though if the journey could be done by train, she could go alone. For we know that even when apparently free Driller has her DD and she obeys him.