Listened to first half of Radio 4 prog today but plumber came to do shower so will listen to the rest later.
She didn't come over as crazed as she did on the recent TV documentary imo, but she had obviously been able to prepar in advance for what was going to come up.
But really what I heard today was every bit as out of touch, evasive and ridiculous as the tv doc. Same shit, different interviewer, different day.