Game of Thrones Sun night/Mon am pace

[whatevermaycome]

As people are getting a bit

Rhubarb The best season of Dexter was spoiled for me. Michael C Hall had been ill with cancer but was recovering and I thought I'd look it up to see how he was getting on.

I clicked on a site about him, not the character, and it revealed the most enormous spoiler for the new series that had just started. You know when you think: 'I want to pluck out my eyes.' But what has been seen cannot be unseen.

If I was Ayra, the person who wrote that would be top of my kill list.

Yes, and what's Cersei going to do? I think she could get inventive with scarves but I suspect she'll have hundreds of flaxen-haired maidens shorn to give her a weave.

And Jaime had his hair cut too. I approved of that.

Myrcella just collapsed with a bleeding nose, she didn't actually die. I also thought the kiss was very deliberate before hand! The Martell's should have sent her with an antidote just incase of such a trick. The other thing is that Bronnn will recognise the symptoms and the possibility of an antidote having been through it himself.

TBH the haircut and KH comments may be a ploy to add to the speculation that Jon is brown bread. He probably is dead - just not for long.

The reason I think Myrcella is dead goes way back to the meeting of the teenage Cersei with the witch in the forest hut.

The witch made various prophesies that Cersei didn't understand at the time but that she realised at Margaery's wedding to Tommen, might be true.

One was that Cersei would marry a king, not a prince. She thought she was going to marry Rhaegar so assumed he would be king when they married. But she was rejected and ended up with Robert Baratheon.

The other was that she and Robert wouldn't have children together.

Another was that she would be queen until another more beautiful and clever woman usurped her - it was at the wedding when Margaery was adored by the crowds that Cersei realised it might be becoming true.

The last last one was that her children would die.

Joffrey is dead so I think Mycella is. Tommen will probably be next.

I hope Ser Pounce lives. I don't care about Tommen but I have a soft spot for cats.

To be fair Dany walked into a burning fire and due to her Targ blood she was fine so if Jon has some maybe, like the dragon a bit of R&R will do the trick. Mel should probably note that Dany is not a royal blood contender for one of her sacrifices

I was very impressed by the aerial shots of the scene where the Bolton army engulfed Stannis's army and where the Dothraki joined to encircle Dany.

I know it's CGI but I was watching the Trooping of the Colour on Saturday and I couldn't believe how those soldiers on foot or on horseback arranged themselves, sometimes when playing trumpets. It was like a deadly ballet.

I think Myrcella is dead, too, and thought of the prophesy as she was copping it. Poor, girl, she was just an innocent pawn and seemed a decent sort for a Lannister in the short time we saw her. And poor Jamie, just had his first moment where he can acknowledge her as his daughter (which is squick, really, but it was a sweet scene) and that happens. Guy can’t catch a break! Ellaria is screwed now as Doran will know it was her.

I also hope think Stannis is dead. Although I am usually a 'they're not dead if we don't see the body' person however the red bwitch looked fairly despondent when she rode into Castle Black and was asked, so fairly certain he is.

But the prophecy about Cersei's chidren was
"Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds."
Myrcella hasn't had a crown yet.
And the shroud bit only refers to their deaths, which will occur sometime anyway.

And sorry to bring this up, but Jon's hand got burned when he fought off the wight who attacked Jeor Mormont at the Wall.

Apologies for the over use of 'fairly' in my previous statement Stannis would not approve of such poorly constructed sentences

But the prophecy about Cersei's chidren was
"Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds."
Myrcella hasn't had a crown yet.
And the shroud bit only refers to their deaths, which will occur sometime anyway.^

Good point. Unless the crown that referred to was the hair on their heads, which should be black if they were Robert's children, but is blonde because they're Jamie's. Which is what kicked the whole series off with Ned's suspicions...

Oooh good point about gold is their crowns for golden hair. Ned's realisation was the beginning of the end for the Lanisters so in a sense also their shroud.

Targs are not immune to fire. Dany's survival was a one-off magical event according to GRRM. Lots of Targs burnt in history - suddenly I can only remember Rhaenyra (fed to a dragon) and Aerion Brightflame (who drank wildfire), but there must have been others. Plus they are always cremated, so their bodies burn.

I think Myrcella was too sweet to survive. What will happen to Trystane now? Cersei will not respond well to another one of her children dying.... Maybe this mistake will be what separates her from Jaime. I do not think she'll easily forgive Jaime and Trystane. But then what? Sends Jaime to liberate Riverrun now? But we have completely forgotten about the Tullys and Freys. Or to the Wall, so he could conceivably re-unite with Brienne?

And Kevan and Pycelle are still alive. Who will be banished to Casterly Rock?

I know it was a body double, but they clearly did not want to follow the book in Cersei feeling ashamed of her body ravaged by childbirth and alcohol...

Yes I think the whole cersei story was a lot more powerful in the books. I remember her plot for Margarey backfiring and thinking FINALLY her comeuppance, but it felt somehow like this was lessened on tv, possibly it would have been more powerful to have had the scenes with Margarey closer to the end of the series and the walk of shame on the penultimate episode. I think the scene with Dany flying on Drogon would have been a good point to end her story for this series .

I think the scenes with Arya were done well - better than the books pos?

With Myrcella - she might die from the poison but I don't think she will be dead as season 6 starts...Cersei's unpleasant maester (aka Dr Frankenstein) might get his hands on her though :( I do think this will deepen the rift with C & Jamie though whatever the outcome.

I think Targs are not immune to fire unless they are 'a dragon' Viserys used to claim he was a dragon but the fact he was burned to death proved he wasn't a ruler (although he was still a targ!). There seems to be mad/weak Targs and strong/dragon Targs.

The final scene was bit et tu Olly?

yumyum Oh, no! I'd rather sweet Myrcella die than Qyburn gets his hands on her...

According to the Citadel , which is semi-canon until proven otherwise

"3.5. Are Targaryens immune to fire?

GRRM has firmly stated that what happened with Daenerys at the end of A Game of Thrones was a unique event (SSL. EHC). That said, in A Dance with Dragons, it does seem that Daenerys has at least some supernatural protection from fire. While her hands are burned and blistered and her hair burned away, neither her scalp or any other part of her body was injured by her experience with Drogon’s fire."

Ah interesting ginger! But wasn't there a scene in season 1 where Dany was having her hair brushed by a dothraki maid and her hand touched fire but didn't flinch? Also didn't Dany think in the book that Viserys was not a dragon because he was screaming in pain during molten crown incident? I need to reread/rewatch! My sister has my books I really want to reread them.

I have not seen season 1, sorry. My bad.

Not being a dragon or being a dragon in the books is almost always symbolic and refers to becoming a (badass) Targ. With Dany it is different of course, but she keeps referring to herself as "blood of the dragon" and this reminds me of Tywin telling Joff that a ruler who has to remind other people that he is a king is no king at all.

What I am really saying is that I have no clue...

Wouldn't Melisandre re-animate Stannis rather than John Snaw?

She left Stannis in his hour of need...

Yeah it did look like Melissandra had given up on Stannis - she seemed to leave pretty abruptly, I wondered if she'd seen something in her fires, perhaps something that made her understand Jon Snow's power. Especially as she didn't say anything when she got to Castle Black.

I cannot trust good old Mel. I wonder if she set Stannis up, when she realised Stannis is not her man. This was a conversation between them earlier on. In the books it would be foreshadowing, in the show, I am not so sure.

"Melisandre: Have you ever slaughtered a lamb?
Stannis Baratheon: No.
Melisandre: If the lamb sees the knife, she panics. Her panic seeps into the meat, darkens it, fouls the flavor.
Stannis Baratheon: And you've slaughtered many lambs.
Melisandre: And none have seen the blade."