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The Missing BBC1- thread 2

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EauRouge · 27/11/2014 14:18

Original thread here, disappearing scarves, grey-haired doppelgängers and twin theories abound. Has anyone done a spreadsheet yet?

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eddiemairswife · 04/12/2014 15:28

I'm learning more from this thread than I do from watching it on TV. When Tony had killed Ian I didn't realise he had buried his shirt in wet concrete at Ian's house. It was dark and I thought it looked like mud or thick oil not concrete. Also I'm sure his jeans would have blood splashes on them. Also, I assume that Tony and Baptiste's 2014 investigations are unofficial, so why was Baptiste allowed to go and poke around in the concrete while the police were searching there? And how did he know that the shirt he found a) was important and b) was Tony's?

ArsenicSoup · 04/12/2014 15:30

Malik keeps saying "I know what happened to Oliver Hughes", which I don't understand. Surely if he does he should go to the police? It doesn't stop him writing a book as well

He wants an exclusive and all the cash and kudos that goes with it.

diddl · 04/12/2014 15:31

I wonder if he only suspected Tony, but it was confirmed by what Tony said.

ArsenicSoup · 04/12/2014 15:32

Arsenic Soup - I hadn't thought that the item found in the drain was Vincent's but it would make sense as to how Malik realised his alibi was false.

Yes Vista you're right, he does seem to 'know' rather than be guessing.

Indianashopgirl · 04/12/2014 15:34

So glad I found this thread! Really interesting comments and observations. I had my own ideas and theories some of which I'm now questioning and listening to all the other ideas out there, I've come to the conclusion that I've absolutely no idea!

Episode1 Ziane received a text saying Charmantaine - Le Cafe Soleil and an address 11.30 am. Malik obviously has some info on Ziane - maybe relating to Charmataines . Something bad enough to force Ziane into supplying Malik with information and push him to commit gbh on Julien.
Whatever he found in the gutter( small package) suddenly turned into large package. Did Malik tip off Ziane - to say he had handed in package? How could he be sure that Julien hadn't read the contents before he left the Office? Or did that not matter as long as he removed the evidence?
I'm guessing that the package just contained info on Ziane & not the evidence found in the gutter.

I felt that Malik & Ziane had a history. I wondered if Malik was looking for revenge for something that had happened to either him or his sister/ brother.
I don't believe he has children - think the car & scooter are there as decor. Maybe as he feels he lost his own childhood?
I started to think he was a 'good' character ... Just trying to get to the truth but I've gone full circle again. He's driven by something other than just being a journalist/author.

SolomanDaisy · 04/12/2014 15:34

Their investigation s are official, there's a scene where Laurence gives Baptiste his police id back and provides office space at the station.

I'd guess Malik has a theory but can't fully prove it. He is quite arrogant, so describes this as knowing.

ArsenicSoup · 04/12/2014 15:36

Also, I assume that Tony and Baptiste's 2014 investigations are unofficial, so why was Baptiste allowed to go and poke around in the concrete while the police were searching there? And how did he know that the shirt he found a) was important and b) was Tony's?

The condition of the case being re-opened was that Baptiste (not Laurence) headed it, so he is officially 'on the case'.

He looked at the label of the shirt (presumably English) and made a shrewd assumption it was Tony's (he's long suspected him and the alibi Emily gave him wasn't exactly convincing.

He knew it was important because it was bloodstained and was hidden in concrete that was wet at the time of Ian's disappearance. It is fundamentally suspicious to hide bloody clothing in wet concrete, after all.

funambulist · 04/12/2014 15:40

I think that Malik does have children, as he has children's toys at his house and I think that I saw a photograph of a child on his work desk. I don't think he's the sentimental type. Unless he has a "missing child' as well?

Dancergirl · 04/12/2014 15:42

You lot are brilliant Smile

I've also learnt loads from this thread. I think i need to rewatch you some of the earlier episodes.

funambulist · 04/12/2014 15:44

Baptiste questioned Tony (informally) about his whereabouts the evening that Ian disappeared. Tony and Emily were almost comically unconvincing, to the extent that Baptiste had a little half smile whilst listening to their unconvincing alibis. When Baptiste goes to Ian's house he notices that that there is an area of concrete that has been disturbed, but an embargo is placed on the property until Ian is declared dead. Baptiste returns to the scene in 2014 and pulls up the shirt from the broken concrete. I bet he was glad it was just the shirt. I would have wondered if that was where Ian's body was!

OttiliaVonBCup · 04/12/2014 15:50

Malik has at least one child - they also showed three pairs of wellies, in three different sizes.
His father spotted Ziane and connected him to Charmataines.

Indianashopgirl · 04/12/2014 16:00

eddiemairswife: Baptiste was given a Police badge when the case was re-opened by Laurence (spelling of name wrong) but female police officer. He had suspicions about the concrete / foundations at Ian's house back when Ian Garrett went missing. Ian was a self confessed perfectionist and wouldn't have allowed a rough patch on an otherwise perfectly smooth area. An embargo was placed on the property for building works and curiously anything else, so that was the first opportunity the Police had to go back there for investigations. ie present day. Baptiste allowed the other officer to go home to see her child so that he could retrieve Tony's shirt unnoticed. He didn't know that there was a shirt there - specifically ... Just something there. He did question Tony at the time but I suppose, without a body, there wasn't a case to answer or at least they didn't take it further. Knowing about the tapes ( retrieved from the boat) and knowing what a monster Ian Garrett was, he probably wanted to confront Tony first - giving him a chance to explain.

Indianashopgirl · 04/12/2014 16:11

Need to go back & look for wellies!
Thought it was Malik that spotted Ziane to connect him with the Charmantaines case. He felt it was a sign.
He said " for me , it's not over"
I felt he may have been abused himself at this point.

diddl · 04/12/2014 16:16

Laurence is correct!

diddl · 04/12/2014 16:21

So if Ziane has a connection to the Charmantaines case, such that he will give Malik info about the Oliver Hughes case, do we think that he was corrupt in that case also?

Taking money to make stuff disappear?

reem1 · 04/12/2014 16:26

I agree that the evidence found by Ziane might be to do with Vincent and I think Vincent might be more involved that he admits however I don't think he is a main abductor.

I think there is a link between Vincent, Vincent's mother and Ian. I don't think Ian's wife was Vincent's mother but I think Vincent knows what had happened to Molly.

Vincent lives in England now perhaps because of his mother (she is most likely English). It is likely that Vincent was abused as a child himself and he is very protective over his mother. He is attached to his mother but it might be not necessary healthy relationship. I guess Vincent was supplying images (perhaps even more than that) to Ian, Ian gave him alibi because he didn't want to be tracked during investigation. Vincent was terrified when Ian threatened to visit his mother- perhaps his mother has Ollie????
There is a lot of images of Vincent's mother - pictures, imagines on the computer I think we might hear about her more very soon......

ArsenicSoup · 04/12/2014 16:50

I don't think he is a main abductor.

Me neither, but he saw something.

AuntieStella · 04/12/2014 17:02

"So if Ziane has a connection to the Charmantaines case, such that he will give Malik info about the Oliver Hughes case, do we think that he was corrupt in that case also?

Taking money to make stuff disappear?"

Possibly, but it's not the only option (everything has more than one possibility, doesn't it?)

We don't know what the Charmantaines case involved or where it took place (France, UK, North Africa?) We do not know whether Ziane was a policeman when it happened.

My pet theory FWIW is that he was a policeman, in N Africa, and (a bit like Tony) beat someone badly. possibly causing an investigation to fail. He managed to suppress whatever it was (a bit like Tony and his FIL) and join the French police. Malik knows about all that, and can threaten his livelihood in France. (There may or may not be bigger secrets too),

He got really angry when he thought Baptiste was too gentle with Vincent at the first round of questioning (even grappling with him) and that is what provoked him to deliver the first batch of info to Malik. After which, he was utterly ensnared.

OttiliaVonBCup · 04/12/2014 17:21

Oh true, it wasn't his father who spotted Ziane, he only convenientlyleft some stuff behind.

zzzant · 04/12/2014 17:29

I think Georges has knowledge of Ziane and his Morrocan escapades and holds it over him. Wouldn't someone look into Ziane's backround before he could become a French police officer?
I think Ziane might have found George's ID in the drain. He gave it to the reporter in hopes he would expose George. Once the reporter had the info he did not need Ziane anymore so he gave the envelope to Baptiste with intent of exposing Ziane.
George initially blocked the reopening of the case until Baptiste showed up with the reporter to his watering hole!
George keeps threatening to close the case.
George placed the embargo on Ian's house to prevent searching around.
I think whatever Ziane found in the drain implicates George. I also think Vincent Borg knows that George is involved as well.
Hence the "Ugly truth".

SolomanDaisy · 04/12/2014 18:12

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SolomanDaisy · 04/12/2014 18:13

Oh, I thought I was on the spoilers thread, sorry! I'll report that (it isn't really a spoiler, but just in case anyone objects).

AramintaDeWinter · 04/12/2014 18:35

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AuntieStella · 04/12/2014 18:46

I think that the Romanian gang and the Moroccan incident are totally unrelated, until the abduction in C-d-B.

But I don't think Ollie could have been abducted because he was illegally adopted from abroad. Because it wasn't a fake phone call which caused Tony to stop the car where he did, it was a real call from his work (what is that, anyhow?) or they could have stopped for a loo break or whatever. There is no way a planned abduction could have been sure of nobbling the car in the right place, and that's too big an uncertainty to plan around.

Of course, a big plan might have been constructed to abduct a boy who was known to be in the area. Like James.

Indianashopgirl · 04/12/2014 18:51

I think the adoption theory is good. There could be some mileage there. I don't think Ollie is Moroccan though.
I thought that Charmantaines disappeared too? I'm sure it's been mentioned twice. Once by Malik in last episode and by someone else in episode2 I think.