Downton Abbey Discussion continued...

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Did they not fallout when the footman suffering from shellshock came to Downton? O'Brien took a shine to him and Thomas bullied him. Think it was that. Can't remember what happened to that footman.

ZZZen My theory is she was conceived by BOTH the lord and lady but before they got married so making her illegitimate because the portraits in the house were so like DH and DS who are physically and mentally extremely different.

My goodness, I was just doing a bit of googling which may or may not have been Downton related and seen a pic of Joanne Froggatt (Anna) in today's Sun, she's just got married. I really wouldn't have recognised her. Sorry can't link from phone.

The other footman was O'Brien's nephew iirc and Thomas was jealous he was being pushed so fast to be a valet to Matthew by Carsen and O'Brien.

Not that footman, this footman. They fell out over him.

I think Thomas is just jealous of O'Brien's attention to her nephew (Alfred?). She was fine with Thomas until he started playing tricks on Alfred, and on her. Thomas is a right bitch.

And now it is WAR.

Love that storyline. I loved it when Moseley was asking Cora about O'Brien's replacement and Cora pretended she knew all about it. Guffaw!

Sounds a little like the plot of The House at Riverton ppeatfruit!

Where is Lady Rosamund? Lady Violet's daughter, Sir Richard's sister. Not seen at any of the Family weddings? Surely as an Aunt she would be present at the functions and wasnt wealthy Banker's widow now with pots of money? why didnt she come to the rescue when they so nearly lost Downton. Have I missed something or did JF fail to tie up that bit.

Lord Robert's sister you mean? I know, very dubious.

She´s not in this series as she´s busy on stage.

Yeah Lord Robert.

Yes Lady Rosamund's absence not adequately explained,imo.
I maintain any fertility issues Mary may have down to Pamuk.
Did they have chlamydia in 1920?

Wasn't there some suggestion mary didn't have swx with Pamuk, wasn't there a "there are ways" I can't recall if it was re pregnancy or losing her virginity, there was some comment suggesting she was going sex with him so she'd still be a virgin. Unless it was about risking getting pregnant and he meant condoms or withdrwal of course.

I actually recall the comment more from it being discussed on here as there was an dicussion Mary had bum sex with him instead. Alongwith lots of rude comments!

Merrin Tell me more ! I've never heard of The House at Riverton

Yes moin i remember the bxm sxx discussion it was hilarious

I like the Turkish delight! He did tell her that she would still be a virgin after he had his wicked way but whether this was a fib, we don't know. Whatever he did must have been exhausting since it did him in. I wonder at times if Mary is exhausting Matthew in a similar way, he does seem lethargic. Perhaps that is what lay behind the sleazy eye-opener honeymoon comment.

They do have a house in London. When the Lord was off to check out the troubles with his finances, Cora asked him if she should have the house in London opened. Since they never use it, they could in fact have simply sold it.

I'd totally forgotten that shell-shocked footman, we do leave a lot of characters by the wayside in this series

I remember the "there are other ways" bit but reckoned it was oral.

Is it totally unrealistic now?

Carson asking if he should treat them equally now??!!

And Lord Twatty "oh, could you make any sense of it at all"?

Oh yes, now someone has given me money again, let´s just spend it all on staff.

No wonder he´s so careless-it´s always someone else´s money!

How embarrassing to find out that your FIL is that ridiculous-and probably your wife as well!

Pamuk seems to be Turkish for cotton. . I just bought a six pack of knickers and I read the back of packets when bored. They're boy pants btw which could have been what Mary was wearing to cause the misunderstanding.

Thanks to squoosh I've learned that obrien has a first name and isn't just O'Brien That Is Called O'Brien.

Edna?

Riverton A shocking secret threatens to emerge; something history has forgotten.

Not quite the same as it involves housemaids but its not too bad a read.

I read Riverton, can't quite remember the shocking secret, sorry author! Her next one The Forgotten Garden (?) deals with the same subject too, illegitimate aristo babies.

I was going to say that, The Forgotten Garden is the one it reminded me of. Both very good books.