Downton Abbey Discussion continued...

[ErikNorseman]

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I'm glad O'Brien has a full name although she doesn't look like a Sarah. She looks more like a Beryl to me.

I enjoyed Riverton and the Forgotten Garden too, both good, page turny, country house sagas full of dark family secrets. Her third one though was awful, the Distant Hours, it was like an endurance test to finish it. I was so disappointed.

Thanks a lot merrin it rings a bell, I think I might 've read it or seen a film/telly prog.?

Beryl, yes. Edna is such a surprising name for such a racy woman until I remember that Edna O'Brien's parents were desperate to oppress her in every way.

It did seem highly improbable that Pamuk, a healthy fit young man, would just die. No warning, no chest pain, no cries for help, just dead.

He died for being a dirty forriner who allegedly did unmentionable things to Lady Mary's bum. I'm sure JF took a very dim view of the fragrant Lady Mary being so violated by someone who wasn't C of E and didn't go to Eton.

HE HAD TO DIE!

Well WhoKnows he knew he couldn't 've cried out could he? like the poor soldiers in the 1st W.W. falling to their deaths off the Alps they were 'told' not to scream 'cos the enemy would've known where the troops were I know not highly relevant to D.A. just one of those useless facts that fazed and me when I read it.

I suppose so, stiff upper lip and all that. Still pretty unbelievable. I didn't know that about the soldiers in the Alps, that's awful.

ppeatfruit my story is that some people hiding (from memory it was during the Civil War but might be Jews in the Third Reich) smothered their baby to prevent it from crying and revealing their position.

Maybe Mary gave his such a good blow job it actually blew Pamuk's mind?

There wasn't a reason suggested was there? i don't remember one.

Just watching gosford park, dry run for DA. Beautifully made, utter rot especially Stephen Fry's comedy copper. How JF got an Oscar for this poorly written cliched Shute is beyond me. Thoroughly enjoying it though until it gets schizophrenic over the silly murder plot

Nasty upsetting fact coming up: Japanese women were told to smother their babies whilst hiding in caves. Many then jumped to their deaths despite the pleas of the allied troups as they had been convinced of the evilness of western men.

I have a new theory.

I think that if Dan Stevens and Mary character haven't signed...what's in store is that the burn victim will reappear and EDITH will get him/be given keys to kingdom.

JF once said: I think we HAVEN'T seen the last of him.

oh that'd be funny!

I think he was a con artist though wasn't he?

btw, has anybody read Past Imperfect and snobs? my mum has them (two novels in one book). I am going to read them after DA.

ooooh I am worried about Sybil. I hope the doctor they're bringing in knows what he's doing!

Mary and Cousin Matthew always act as if they've only just been introduced.

Pre eclampsia?

Oh dear lady Sybil is in trouble. Must be "picture of health" etc.

Ah. Matthew knows his baby parts don't work.

Could they have a bigger build up to Sibby's demise?

Oooh Cousin Matthew's worried about his middle class pecker.

Sybil looks for the chop here

Matthew is going on about his swimmers now

I have to say this sir Phillip chap seems rather sensible.