The big Corrie thread (Spoiler Alert!)

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For those of us who have no life care about Corrie and want to see it returned to its former glory.

And want answers to questions such as:

Why are Sean and Marcus moving back into Eileen's pokey house instead of getting a place of their own as other couples with two wages would do?

And does anyone else apart from me and Edith Weston remember when Corrie was on two days a week and was a high quality drama/comedy?

I really thought we would see some old faces tonight? Im on delay though so, all may not be lost.

I'm surprised there wasn't more of the funeral really. It should have been a whole episode for it. None of this terry or Sally rubbish to spoil it. I thought they would have got Bet back at least.

Im really shocked. Has Gordon even got a wife? where was she? I was expecting some oldies. It was abit of a let down.

liz mcdonald's only in Spain, I'd have thought they could have had her nipping back on Easyjet for it. What about Bet, Mavis, Hilda? Very disappointing.

It was totally disappointing. There were so many of them that could have come back.

I'm sure Gordon had a wife because Betty didn't get on with her DIL.

And wasn't Gordon born out of wedlock? (I seem to remember) so maybe her family didn't speak to her after the scandle.

Gordon's wife was called Caroline and she and Betty didn't get on. That would have made a good story line had Caroline schemed for the pub.

Betty was unmarried when she had Gordon, and he was brought up by her sister Maggie and husband as their own. In the late 60s, they over to the Street to take on the corner shop. Gordon was late teens/early 20s by then, and got engaged to Lucille Hewitt. But he got cold feet, jilted her not long before he wedding and moved to London.

He still visited the Street, and on one of those visits found out that Betty was his birth mother (potential new shopkeepers had found out, so Maggie told him before they could). After the initial shock, he began to treat her as his mother.

He married Caroline in the 1980s and they had a son, Peter (who ought to have been at his Grandmother's funeral!)

I don't understand the storyline about the letter from Annie Walker leaving the pub to Betty. In the closing shot of the last episode, where Stella put Betty's photo on the pub wall, the dates on the photograph were 1984-2012. If 1984 is when Betty started in the Rovers Return, surely Annie Walker was long gone by then? Or am I getting my dates muddled?

So Stella and Karl aren't the owners? I've missed bits during the last week. How did they become landlords then? I thought the brewery owned the Rovers not Annie Walker.

Annie Walker was hastily written out in 1983 according to Wikipedia, but she didn't 'die' until later. Perhaps the letter was supposed to have been written to Betty when she left Coronation St circa 1984 offering her the pub.

It was all a bit dull - which is a shame given how long Betty Driver worked on Corrie.

Why on earth would Annie Walker leave the pub to Betty when she had two children of her own to leave it to?As I remember,Annie W was close to her son and daughter (Billy and Joanie,I think!). Makes no sense at all.

I think the Walkers were owners not tenants. I'd completely forgotten about Joan! I can just about see that Annie might think Billy was not suitable to run the Rovers, but I don't see why she would leave the pub to Betty.

When Billy took over (anyone know if Joan and husband were mentioned then?) it was short-lived and pretty disastrous, and he asked the brewery to buy him out. I thought that meant buying him out from ownership, not tenancy. The brewery first let, then sold the pub to Bet Lynch. It was in the early 80s, perhaps someone has clearer memory of its status?

If Annie owned the pub, and it was properly left Betty, then Billy was never the legal owner, so all transfers of "ownership" since then would similarly be not valid.

Gosh Edith you are very knowledgeable!
I rather like panto villain Terry - but he does look like he is pumped up, and yes, of course that specific coat the 'Businessmen' always wear.
The lack of people coming back at key moments - where was Liz @ Steves wedding etc etc always troubles me. Surely nowadays they could do it with CGI

Why did the picture of Betty, put up in the Rovers at the end of the last episode, have 'landlady' on it. She was the barmaid.

I thought the pub went from Billy to Bet, who also got into financial difficulties, then Alec Gilroy came along and bailed her out, eventually married her, Steve married his granddaughter who was very rich but I think that is a separate story.

Did Alec sell to Jack and Vera? I seem to recall it had a succession of landlords in the Raquel era but can't remember exactly. Steve bought it eventually, but wasn't able to be the licensee because of his criminal record, so Liz was the licensee. When Liz left he still couldn't be the licensee so he recruited Stella as manager. They must have bought it from him because that is how he financed the purchase of the house Tracey is in from Lloyd.

although Steve had bought that house before Stella had got a mortgage for the Rovers!

Bettys photo said 'landlady 1984 - 2012' in recognition of what she should have been, from that letter.

Did Stella get the mortgage all by herself? Given Carl's debts and the current situation (in the real world) I'd be amazed if his name was on the mortgage. I couldn't understand why she felt she was at risk of bankruptcy and was worried about losing the pub at the stage where she'd kicked him out - they're not married so why would she need to sort out paying them off?

I think the ownership of The Rovers after Billy was:

• owned by Newton and Ridley, with Bet as manageress
• Newton and Ridley want to sell (just licence?) offer Bet first refusal, she can't afford it, so gets into bed (in both senses) with Alec. Alec left, Bet carried on alone for a while, then brewery wanted to sell (premises?) and again she could afford it
• so pub bought by the Duckworths, who ran it for a while but got into financial difficulties (didn't Alec crop up again for a while?)
• so pub sold to Nathalie Barnes, who put pub up for sale when she found herself pregnant. Interest shown by a PubCo.
• but to prevent that happening,it was bought by local businessmen, including Mike and Fred
• sold next to Steve MacDonald, with Liz and manager/licencee.
• Liz leaves, Stella comes in as manager.

I didn't even realise Steve sold the pub. I thought Stekla was just the manager.

Stekla??? I mean Stella.

Stella arrived as manager, but Steve sold the pub to her earlier this year, I think. I'm not sure how the finances work between Stella and Carl: I assume from her current worries that he may be joint mortgagee.

I can't bear the stupid story line about the lap dancing club. 'It got through Planning somehow.'

Yeah, right, like one dodgy councillor writes all planning permissions, and there is no need for a Sexual Entertainament Venue licensing policy for residential Wetherfield...

Who on earth would go to Weatherfield for a lapdancing club anyway?

I rather like this story line - bit of light relief - gives the oldies summat to do ( was there ever a worse actress than Emily...) tho, just wondering waht happened to the woman whol lives in the motorhome ( forget her name - surely she would have been up for a bit of gently civil disobedience and a a night with Norris?
Also like the way poor Tommy is being manipulated here, quite poignant