Doctor Who Series 6 part 2 - the ganger thread

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Old thread's getting full, so here's a nice new acid-resistant one...

oh and excellent thoughts re wedding, bham.

totally irrelevant to the plot, but came on here to see if anyone else had wondered the same - the 3 kids that saw the doctor leave, I swear the last two sounded like Rose and Mickey (but the other didn't sound like Donna) - anyone else wonder that or am I just looking for neat plot devices that aren't there?

Might the "wedding" be her initiation into the silence? (Just thinking of nuns being referred to sometimes as "brides of Christ")

What happened to the 'good man goes to war' thingy... because the last few episodes haven;t felt like much of a war to me...

help i have no doubt that moffatt has been pissing himself knowing that bulletin boards are going mad with bow tie watch.

med but The Silence are credited as Monsters on the BBC Doctor Who website so I think there was a deliberate confusion between the Silence as a race, the Silence as a religion and "silence will fall"

now i've tapped that out it's yet another example of how the past two series have been such a jumbled mess (which i think must be intentional and part of the plot btw - am not slagging it off....)

btw - like your thinking re the "wedding" bham

in terms of the war, they were talking about the battle of demon's run. but it can also be read as the doctor realising that other forces have been waging a very carefully planned war against him for quite some time - and it is only here he is really consciously joining the fray.

could also be a metaphor for him fighting his own death

oh and med too re wedding ideas...

one last thought. the pictures the bbc have released have the doctor in three outfits (grey/black bowtie, tweed jacket; red bow tie, green longcoat; toga). do we have three doctors or three different timestreams?

13 episodes to a series is quite common - I always thought it was neat and tidy, that four series of 13 weeks equalled a year.

really? what other shows have 13 eps?

erm- Torchwood Series 1,

Torchwood Series 2 , Doctor Who Series 1 (9th Dr), Doctor Who Series 2 (10th Dr), Doctor Who Series 3 (10th Dr), Doctor Who Series 5 (11th Dr), Doctor WHo Series 6 (11th Dr).
Bit of a pattern there
Sorry- my return key isn't working

right, so geek shows emanating from bbc wales. am not fluent in them. like 'em, but don't pay attention to the ep numbers. have looked, and merlin does it as well, not standard for general drama figs. primetime more often 6, 8 or 10 eps.

oh and download chrome, it's all working fine using that.

not allowed to... is work machine... erm.

marking my place with absolute excitement and aware that while the first rule is that 'the doctor lies', Stephen Moffat does a pretty good job of it also and I would be amazed if it's River Song in the impossible astronaut suit, emerging from lake silencio that 'kills' the ganger 'doctor'.

I want to know what he says to the astronaut...I will be incredibly fed up if we don't find out, it's been niggling me since the first episode.

Snapespeare - I thought Moffat (in Doctor Who Confidential) said it was River as astronaut who shot the Doctor? (I suppose the question now becomes Which Doctor, rather than Doctor Who?)

but snapespeare is right, scaevola:
rule 1: moffatt lies
rule 2: the doctor lies
rule 3: river lies
that being the case, god knows what we are actually going to see on screen on Saturday

i still think the 2 spacesuits look different....

I didn't know about rule 1!

everyone lies! what sort of role model is this for our children! I shall write a strongly worded letter to the daily mail!

looking back to the last few episodes - I have been getting a little irked at dads saving the day. I have always thought DW excellent for children where fathers aren't always present in their lives. The doctor is heroic, brave, has a plan (even if he says he doesn't! liar!) I grew up without a strong male role model in my life (which has caused all sorts of problems!) and would have loved for the doctor to be my dad.

It must be very sad for children who don't have fathers around to see first 'night terrors', where the love of dad saves the day and then Craig in 'closing time' short-circuting all the cybermen with the powah of love. dad love. it's wearing a little thin for me. I suspose we do have 'are you my mummy' to compensate :) but I think moffat writes/show-runs from the perspective of a father writing for his kids. That's brilliant, truly - but I'd like to see more of a representation of non-nuclear families.

I do appreciate the argument that Cal had an absent mother - little Amelia has absent... everyone... so non-nuclear there - but I think family structure in DW is really interesting & important. I need to think about this a little more...

it's a daddy agenda more than a nuclear family agend imho - in terms of the "daddy" agenda this series, we've had:

• the erstwhile "daddy" in the orphanage, tasked with keeping the girl safe in DOTM
• curse of the black spot, where avery reconciles with his dying son and leaves the earth in order to save him
• in doctor's wife - if some of the characters were "Nephew" etc - does that mean that "House" was daddy?
• the ganger having to become a real father in TRF/TAP
• rory fighting to find and save amy and melody in AGMGTW
• night terrors as mentioned
• closing time as mentioned
• and i'll throw in Rita's nightmare father in God Complex...

as mentioned before - there are a lot of common themes in these episodes. as if we're being bashed over the head with hints as to the story arc....

So is Rory going to do something dramatic for River then? He looks a little ninja-like on the pictures!

scatter the whole daddy thing could just be SM's consciousness coming through. or it could just be a red herring. but there are lots of wierd things about rory:

• lifelong friend/boyfriend/husband of central character and father of the person who saves the doctor's life (as 10) so he can become 11 and befriend the family etc - so important
• shown the way out in God Complex. no fear? or no human-like fear/belief?
• the whole nurse's badge thing in series 5 - was that really a props error?
• the "falling out of the sky" comment from amy
• in the almost people jennifer wants to kill humans and i don't think she would have spared rory in spite of his kindness - yet she let him go?
• obviously the whole rory the roman and remembering bits of it
• in doctor's wife he said "they come for me and they hurt me every night" - yes it could have been an avatar created by house, saying something to hurt amy - but what if there was an element of truth in that line?
• what did the silents do to rory and river in ep 1?
• when ganger amy gave up on rescucitating him in curse of the black spot, it was only then he gasped back into life. maybe that was done for dramatic effect or was it telling us something else?

in terms of what he does in the next ep we're obviously going to have kick-ass rory present. but thinking about the title of the episode - at a wedding the father of the bride is present to "give away" the daughter. so if we do have a straightforward wedding then that would be an important role

but this is not likely to be a straightforward wedding, is it!

and who might he be giving her away to?