Doctor Who Series 6 part 2 - the ganger thread

[RustyBear]

Old thread's getting full, so here's a nice new acid-resistant one...

[HarrietJones]

Is it the one from confidential?

[notimetotidy]

Brilliant link!

[Ripeberry]

That link is great, all makes perfect sense now

[housemum]

Thank you for the link - fantastic!

[fartmeistergeneral]

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv3rDSvmumI&sns=fb

[fartmeistergeneral]

this helped!

[RustyBear]

I think the ganger who was in the castle always became gloop - the thing was that the (real) Doctor said something like - this may not be the end (can't remember the exact words ) which I think meant that the Doctor knew the ganger could be re-formed/recreated - perhaps becausethe sonic screwdriver kept a record? Remember the Doctor said that, at the point in time where they were, the ganger technology was in its infancy - lots of things might have become possible later on that weren't possible at that time. It could well become a feature in a future story...

[ScatterChasse]

Ah, but do we have a ganger now? Or did he really become yoghurty gloop?

[Trills]

I wish I could draw it.

This is how I think it works

1: All episodes up til Lake Silencio - one doctor
2: Lake Silencio old (tesselator) Doctor gets shot, young (from previous episodes) Doctor turns up just after the shooting
3: All episodes from Lake Silencio til now young Doctor does all the things we just saw, including potentially large periods of time in between episodes, old Doctor does things that we haven't seen yet
4: This episode young Doctor goes back in time to point 2 and becomes (old) tesselator Doctor
5: Any point after this young Doctor has gone round in a loop and become old Doctor so no longer exists, only old Doctor is around to do stuff

[noeyedear]

Yes, and she keeps breaking out of prison for all sorts of shennegans by the sounds of it!

[ScatterChasse]

When Amy first met her, she said something like "you're so his wife" and she replied, "Ooh, you're good, I'm not saying you're right, but you're good".

I can't see a reason for them not to marry 'properly' now though, they obviously want to! I love all the scenes where they flirt, they obviously have (I hate saying this, it sounds so wanky!) great chemistry.

It made me laugh in Confidential when she was saying about if all Tesselectors could kiss like that.

[noeyedear]

It does make sense that the girl in New York regenerated into someone unknown (as yet) travelled to Leadworth and then regenerated again into Mels. AK said the last time she regenerated she was a toddler, but there could have been a few times before that too.
Re the name thing, doesn't the doctor say something like' Wife, I need you to help me' at the end of the episode, so maybe he did both. I assumed he had to marry her to save the universe, otherwise he could have just touched her and had the same effect. Either that or they marry sometime in the future, before the Library episodes with DT. She HAS to be his wife. I can't think of any other explanation that wouldn't be a massive anti climax!

[StetsonsAreCool]

And perhaps he was 200 years older on purpose so that the writers can put in extra adventures before he 'dies'.

But at least time lords can regenerate out of age (or the appearance of it) order. You're right, though, I'm overthinking it I always do that!

[SoupDragon]

Perhaps he lied about his age in order to make it look like he didn't get shot any time soon.

[RustyBear]

Matt Smith is the youngest actor to play the Doctor (two years younger than Peter Davison when each started)
William Hartnell        8 January 1908       23 November 1963    55
Patrick Troughton      25 March 1920        29 October 1966         46
Jon Pertwee                  7 July 1919               3 January 1970          50
Tom Baker                    20 January 1934     8 June 1974                40
Peter Davison              13 April 1951            21 March 1981           29
Colin Baker                  8 June 1943              16 March 1984           40
Sylvester McCoy         20 August 1943         7 September 1987     44
Paul McGann             14 November 1959    27 May 1996              36
Chris Eccleston          16 February 1964      26 March 2005         41
David Tennant           18 April 1971             18 June 2005             34
Matt Smith                  28 October 1982       1 January 2010         27

[RustyBear]

I think he was meant to look older - Amy said 'How come you are ageing' and he said it was because he was at the centre of the disturbance. At first I thought that was why said he was older, but then I realised that he said it before time froze; when he went back it was to the point where River was killing him.

I know Rule One is The Doctor lies, but I don't think he lies unless he has to and I have to say I can't see the point of that particular lie (from the Doctor's point of view, anyway; from Moffat's point of view, it was to point up the discrepancy)

[BalloonSlayer]

I assumed it was the actor looking older.

I don't wish to turn this into a gossip thread but I happened upon a tabloid newspaper a few months ago which had a story about Matt Smith falling at home and hurting himself (he is notoriously clumsy so nothing sinister in that). The article described him as "party loving Matt Smith" which I read with some dismay as I always thought that was tabloid code for something or other.

[StetsonsAreCool]

Rusty - are we sure those 200 years did pass?

What we now know to be the teselector Doctor was 1100 years old. But the Doctor lies. Although, the 900 year old Doctor might have been lying too.

It hurts my head. Was rewatching the last ep at teatime, and I couldn't help think to myself that he was looking older. Although whether this was Matt Smith or make up is a whole other thing!

[StetsonsAreCool]

I'm obviously refusing to accept my own age - I had them pegged at late twenties like me ignoring 30th birthday looming

I didn't think Melody was a time traveller until she became River Song and had met/married/studied/killed the Doctor. The Doctor can regenerate to a younger version though. MS is the youngest isn't he?

[RustyBear]

The Doctor who came out of the toilet is the 900 year old doctor, (because he said so) and he had the blue invitation sent by his later self. What isn't certain (well, one of the things that isn't certain ) is when those 200 years passed -presumably (there's that word again!) between him dropping off Amy and Rory and getting into the Teselecta. This of course, would seem to indicate that Time Lords don't age, or not noticeably, over the course of a couple of centuries ; though the First Doctor did appear pretty old....

[EricNorthmansMistress]

No Amy and Rory are early twenties now, so must have been born in mid-late 80s. Remember Melody is a time traveller, she could have regenerated and travelled in time at the same time? I can't see how she could have grown up from that child in the 60s then gone back to a toddler in the 80s!

[StetsonsAreCool]

Clearly spending way too much time thinking about this

[StetsonsAreCool]

Also, if Amy and Rory grew up in, what, the late 70s early 80s? That means that the child in 1969 would have been a teenager by the time A&R started primary school. I think she came from America to Britain as a teenager, then regenerated as a toddler in Leadworth (who got fostered/adopted after being seemingly abandoned) to grow up in A&R's timeline.

[StetsonsAreCool]

Xposts there.

I think time lords do age, but the fact that they can regenerate means they can relive lives. Some of the timelords at the end of DT's series were really old-looking.

I mean, Matt Smith's Doctor definitely looks older than he did when he first appeared (human actor aside), they'd have a hard time covering up that sort of continuity thing in make up

[EricNorthmansMistress]

River is only part timelord, maybe she aged but in a non linear way? Because although AK was 40+ Mels was mid twenties - but she regenerated from a little girl to a toddler, so aged backwards. We don't know how many actual years River has lived for as she is a time traveller and doesn't age normally. But Timelords aren't born adults so they must age somehow.