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Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise

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botemp · 19/07/2022 14:42

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Floisme · 12/11/2022 10:33

Oh before I finish my Crown thesis, I think Lesley Manville will be terrific as Princess Margaret. I don't suppose she'll get much air time this series but that one sequence where she gets back from 'going for a walk with Mummy' stole the whole episode for me.

botemp · 12/11/2022 10:58

Yes, Lesley Manville seems to be the only bright spot among the drab. Helena Bonham Carter was a little too HBC to be a believable PM in previous seasons, I felt, thankfully her storyline was interesting enough to ignore that. Bit odd to see LM go from working class cleaning lady in Mrs Harris to snippy Margaret though. Imelda Staunton is a vast improvement on Olivia Colman too (didn't like her portrayal at all).

I find Dominic West the most jarring, body, face, everything seems wrong (he has none of that inbred aristocracy quality) and he always plays cheating bastards (is one in real life too, allegedly, I think, and now I like him even less knowing he's casting his own family even if the child actors do seem freakishly well cast). Agree with Elizabeth Debecki's portrayal feeling too surface-y (so far anyhow) but she was great on the Night Manager so I hold out hope yet. Prince Philip also feels too randomly cast.

And don't get me started on Princess Anne, urgh, Erin Doherty was so great in the part but so underutilised.

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botemp · 12/11/2022 11:01

Sorry, meant to say thanks quirky. I agree wavy hair is a little easier to look after but it's more challenging finding the right products as you don't seemlessly fit into straight or curly hair products, although that may just be me and my finicky hair that doesn't like certain ingredients.

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Redandblue11 · 12/11/2022 14:30

I haven’t watched the crown yet, I really hope is good as I am on the look out for something good to watch.
I watched a bit of She’s French and I just got bored. For me it was a bit amusing initially, then got really repetitive and just feeling, yeah all those stereotypes… I work with a small number of French woman, might be the industry … but none of them conform to most of the obvious stereotypes. I am not saying that none of it is true or based on a culture. Anyhow, I couldn’t get into that programme.

TwoBlondes · 13/11/2022 08:20

I think the stereotypes discussed in She's French may have applied in the past and, as one of them pointed out, to women of a certain age.
Certainly, some of my older Parisian neighbours still fit the description.

I was talking to my hairdresser (French, thirty something, used to live in the UK) and she thought it was very funny. She said her British friends dressed up more in the evening (and wore heels) and generally got falling down drunk!

botemp · 13/11/2022 09:10

I thought it was interesting too (I was really grossed out by the random man though, who appeared to just be interviewed to acknowledge how much of a creep he was about French women 🤢). I also thought it was interesting that a lot of the women interviewed will lean into the stereotype if it advantages them. I also think for as much as they denied some stereotypes applying to them, there are blind spots. I don't think French women realise how much indoctrination (for lack of a better word) they are subject to. The comment about wearing mini skirts was very examplary, they all had a very panicked physical reaction to the thought of it. Did think it was a missed opportunity they didn't discuss sexual harassment in more depth as I feel this is a very different (and therefore insightful) context in France.

Realistically, these threads wouldn't exist if there wasn't some truth to the stereotypes. It suits the fashion industry of France especially to keep the myth alive, for Parisiennes don't follow fashion, they are fashion.

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Floisme · 15/11/2022 16:47

Mixed report on the loafers. The heel is fine. I think that pic must have been taken at a deceptive angle plus it's reassuringly chunky and solid and doesn't feel like walking on heels at all. The extra height is good with wide legs - makes a difference. However they (the shoes) feel a bit wide. I tried on a smaller fitting last week so I know sizing down won't work. I'll wear them around the house tomorrow morning and then, if I'm still not happy I have a trip into town planned, although apart from TK Maxx, H&M and Clarks, I'm not sure what shops are left there. Failing that, I might have to try heel grips. I can't face ordering shoes online without trying on first.

Redandblue11 · 15/11/2022 18:59

Sorry Flo that they didn’t quite work as you expected. Yesterday I went into a big M&S and I stopped to see them and other shoes, and yes they are a bit wide for the average foot. I saw a few different things and I concluded that I wouldn’t be able to wear any of the shoes they have at the moment.
Then I walked past some pleather leggings, and all of the sudden I got this urge to have some. I went back twice … but my internal ‘morals’ stopped me as I really cannot buy something so synthetic and that in reality will not get the wear to justify a purchase of that sort. But gosh it was hard to leave it.

Voltefarce · 15/11/2022 22:38

Has anyone seen shoes in exactly this shape, but in leather or suede?

I feel that they are perfect to replace my stiletto court shoes which I am never wearing again (why do they now seem so silly?).

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
botemp · 16/11/2022 06:29

They look like knock offs of Saint Laurent Babies, I'm not sure if they do them anymore, here's an eBay listing for reference but Babies (I'm not sure what the English term is) were everywhere when I was in Paris in the summer. Carel is the OG of Babies shoes, worn by Jane Birkin back in the day it was regarded as a bit of a stale 'old lady' (you can murder me later Flo) brand for a while but they've since been relaunched going heavy on the mystical Parisiennes branding and I've been eyeing some boots there... Anyhow they might have something similar, although their shtick is patent leather and more straps but searching for ankle strap Babies (maybe throw in shoes too in case you end up with pictures of babies in straps held up by their ankles 😲) should probably give you more options.

Annoying about the shoes Flo, I thought M&S shoes were always very wide. Whatever happened to hush puppies, didn't they always do loafers with tassles?

I'm in Antwerp, was already here yesterday will catch up later, I even took some sneaky pics here and there and I'll attempt to take some more today. Also visiting the fashion museum today which has an exhibition on how it's made, 2D-3D, a bit what Flo was complaining about the V&A missing. Bit miffed I'm not here Sunday as Esmee from the GB Sewing Bee will be there (and some other important people, but it's only Esmee I'm sad about missing).

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Voltefarce · 16/11/2022 07:18

Thanks v much @botemp.

Redandblue11 · 16/11/2022 08:01

I am looking forward to Antwerp updates Bo.

volte, sezane has similar ones too.

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Floisme · 16/11/2022 08:29

Oh there are loads of chunky loafers online, I just hate buying shoes unseen. With those M&S ones I was able to have a good look and feel first and try them on in other sizes - it was just that mine wasn't in stock - and even then it hasn't worked out. I'll go into town today and see what the shops hold but I'm not hopeful - it's a bit like Mad Max there these days but without the sunshine.

Floisme · 16/11/2022 08:33

Sorry Volte, I'm in such a bad mood I missed your post Blush Wishing you good shoe luck.

Voltefarce · 16/11/2022 08:48

Thanks @Redandblue11 I’ve found the Sézane ones. I liked the asos shape as they were kind of a mish mash of baby Jane and d’orsay. The Saint Laurent ones are nice. And found a past season sezane pair that fit the bill. I’ll be scouting vestiare for the foreseeable.

@Floisme I am also tempted by the M&S loafers.

Floisme · 16/11/2022 16:37

Well I'm back from trailing round a half empty, half stocked local high street in search of loafers and might just have had a stroke of luck. I finished up in M&S where they had the same ones in my size - presumably a return as they hadn't been there last time. So more out of desperation than anything else, I tried them on and guess what, they fit much better than the ones I'd bought online, despite being the same size. So I've done a swap. I'm conscious the leather's probably prone to stretching so I'll have to give them a good breaking in around the house. But hopefully it means I can avoid the online shoe lottery a little longer.

Voltefarce sorry, I can't remember if you're in the UK but, if you'd like some, I advise going to a real store if at all possible and trying on any that look like your size, regardless of what the label says.

Redandblue what was the guilt over the pleather leggins? The fabric or because you don't think you'd wear them?

Hope you're enjoying Antwerp bo although I'm sorry you're missing Esme. Looking forward to the reports.

Redandblue11 · 16/11/2022 18:00

Flo my guilt is because I don’t want to contribute (where I don’t have to) to the plastic rubbish problem.
I am not a strict environmentalist by any means, and if is too inconvenient or alternative does not exist I will happily use the stuff.
Just helps me live a less guilty existence…
Hence why I also buy a lot less than I used to and probably 60-70% pre-loved of clothes (I don’t include shoes here as I like them new…)

Floisme · 16/11/2022 18:14

Yeah I get that Red. I guess for me, reading about how some of our natural fabrics are produced - cotton, cashmere and leather for example - has changed some of my views on synthetics. So I still try and avoid polyester because I don't like the feel of it but, if it was something I was confident I'd get a lot of wear out of, I wouldn't feel guilty about it any more.

Voltefarce · 16/11/2022 21:06

@Floisme I do live in the Uk but don’t do offline shopping that often (unless charity shops). If I pass an M&S I’ll have a go.

ShangPie · 16/11/2022 21:17

xing sorry for your loss 💐

loafer drama sounds frustrating flo, I agree that overly wide loafers are not worth keeping. I find they always seem to gape unattractively at the side of the foot regardless, but I have made myself get over it by not looking down. Problem avoided, posture improved. Win!

Spotted this blog post that seems to capture the general ennui around street style that bo mentioned. It also refers to Parisiennes but not us boo Flat fashion

XingMing · 17/11/2022 09:32

Thanks, ShangPie for your kind thoughts and for the flat fashion link. I can't decide whether it's age or ennui for me at the moment. Or perhaps it's winter and wet weather, because my favourite stuff right now is about staying warm and dry!

botemp · 17/11/2022 10:15

Yes, thanks for that article Shangpie, it's summing up a lot of what I've been annoyed with for a while now and grumble on about on here incessantly. I had come across that Instagram account previously when it was just being discovered (but I still refused to sign up) so it's interesting (but also predictable) that there's copycat accounts all around the world (but of all the Dutch cities, Utrecht Confused), although I'm not slightly paranoid about being photographed without my knowledge 😱 As a generation Napster, I can't get to grips with substack (as paying for anything on the internet instantly makes me balk) how do you navigate it? I had a few newsletters that migrated there but the constant requests to sign up to paid subscriptions put me off and made me unsubscribe.

Onto Antwerp, the 2d-3d exhibition was a bit of a let down, interesting enough but it was so small. They just explored five designs and it was all crammed into a large-ish room with a lot of emphasis on 3D animation. I'm clueless as to why fashion is so gung ho about this as fashion still looks kind of shit in 3D animation (granted I'm comparing it to my own discipline who have been at the vanguard of it in design for much longer and requires you to move through it rather than for it to move so it's bound to be leaps ahead). Thankfully the other exhibitions were interesting, although they do really love being very abstract and conceptual, it really can't be all that accessible for people just wanting to see a fashion exhibit.

Ok, onto flat me, although pictures are generally terrible. At Dries van Noten I tried on lots of sort of evening dresses with printed draperies. I had seen them online a lot last year and loved the look of them but not the prices. Still didn't really like the prices of them at the sample sale. This was my favourite colour way but it just drowned me as a dress, I could sort of make it work as a top but at the asking price it felt a little bit like trying too hard to make it work. I had high hopes for the third pic as that's actually a top, it's just a flat panel sewn onto a sleeveless t-shirt so can be worn more casually over jeans and it was cheaper than all the others but the lilac colour was like death on me and the neckline just didn't sit right Sad Ended up buying a mad scarf instead, not pictured (soz) but now looking at the pictures again, urgh, maybe I should have gotten the red dress to wear as a top 😑 here's hoping the next fabric sale at Dries will have the fabric left over 🤞

At Christian Wijnants I saw this lovely silk dress (shit photo, I'm holding it up as it was like a meter too long on me, it's more of a minimalist a line number with a roll neck) but it had a stain on the back and also some fit issues at the shoulder (I've had this issue there before, he designs for a long upper body but narrow shoulders, it's weird on me). But luckily I found the fabric (colour more accurate that picture) was available to buy so I got lots of that and will get something similar made, I already have a similar pattern made from summer which is sleeveless. I really am rather pleased I taught myself to sew as I'd have been really bummed leaving that dress behind otherwise.

Not pictured, I also picked up a cropped kimono sleeved chunky jumper which was a prototype from I Love Mr Mittens, I'll try and take a picture of it when I remember. And I have pictures from the exhibition if anyone's interested in those.

Also, the cult of Raf Simons has further confounded me and makes me want to do an anthropological study on them. Apparently people were in line there from 2am in the morning Shock (they opened at 10). I also saw loads more commercial buyers, people flying in from all over the world (who all look the same), I fear it's all going a bit flat in the previously unknown Antwerp sample sales too <sobs>

Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
Les Parisiennes des Mamansnet: Always Have a Ball Gown at the Ready in Celebration of Your Enemy's Demise
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Floisme · 19/11/2022 09:56

Thanks for that article ShangPie - a little bit depressing when it's all laid bare like that but it also cheered me up to see it articulated so well. I hadn't thought about those early bloggers for a while but god I used to love some of them and how they simply wrote because they had interesting things to say, and the way they'd jump from clothes to books to films to food to travel. I was pissed off for a long time when it all got monetised. I'm a bit nervous of checking out parisiensinparis in case it's a big let down, but I will.

And now I'm going to make my coffee and settle down with your Antwerp report bo.

Redandblue11 · 19/11/2022 13:33

Question Bo, are the black trousers you are wearing yours? I like them a lot.
yes the rest is not what I would say made for you. But the colours are great. Good that you found that fabric, I am sure you will make something stunning with it.

botemp · 19/11/2022 19:16

Yes, those are my trousers, they're not black thoug. A sort of indescribable colour between anthracite grey and slate-like blue, sort of a Belgian blue limestone come to think of it.

Update on The Crown, I've officially given up after trying to persevere. I'll watch it when I'm ill or something and don't mind dosing off during several episodes of it 🤷

I agree Flo that having it all laid out like that makes for stark reading. I listened to BOF's latest podcast on the state of the influencer economy not long after reading it which left me even more dispirited, the interviewees were digital marketeers. They were weirdly optimistic (and very unapologetic about how awful it all is) which did strike me as odd considering social media platforms are seeing major downturns and subsequent job losses (not sure what's going to happen with twitter but that was never really influencer central anyhow but there seems to be a general downturn) and TikTok privacy issues means it might be banned in certain countries (NL is discussing it in parliament ATM) as well as tough economic times globally. I was genuinely wondering if these marketeers lived exclusively on the internet too...

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